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I don't get the problem that many people have, with personal computers. If you didn't have PC's... you wouldn't be able to come here in the first place, to argue about anything that is pc.
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:22
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Originally posted by Odin
When did the term Native American appear? |
Indians by King Missile
The Indians lived all over this land before we came and killed them.
That was very bad of us.
We thought we needed the land,
But for the most part,
We just ruined it anyway,
And now, nobody can use it.
That's the way we are.
We're pigs.
One of my favorite foods to eat is called corn.
The Indians call it "maize."
We call the Indians "Indians."
This is because Columbus thought he was in India
When he first came to this land.
Some people say we should call the Indians, "Native Americans,"
'Cause they were here in America before us,
But before us,
This land wasn't called "America."
It was named "America" by a mapmaker who never even came here.
He just lived in Europe
And made maps and when he found out about this land,
And put his name on it,
'Cause he could.
That's the way we are.
We're pigs.
As I was writing this,
A cockroach fell from the sky and onto the table.
I killed it,
'Cause I did.
That's the way I am.
This doesn't really have very much to do with the Indians, though.
I guess I got kind of sidetracked.
Anyway, I hope you see my point.
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Caligastia
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Indians by King Missile
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Interesting piece of writing. This guy seems to hate himself for being white.
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Caligastia
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Have you ever listened to King Missile? |
Nope, are they a metal band?
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Sikander
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Boulder, Colorado, United Snakes of America
Jan 2000
time: 22:22
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
I don't see why it is useful to replace thoughtfulness with "political correctness," especially now it has been reduced to just another weapon with which to attack others.
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Good post. I agree that the effort to educate people about what was thoughtful in a society where (for example) many whites did not have any interaction with blacks etc. was hijacked early on by those who wanted to use language as a means of social control. These self-appointed arbiters of "correctness" left the realm of politeness behind, and moved into the political realm. They did not however have the decency to admit that by doing so their actions no longer deserved the protections and status that an effort to merely increase the civility of dialogue deserved. When one resisted one of their attempts to change society by redefining terms or selecting new terminology one would still be attacked as if they were against civility. This power grab thus not only stifled political debate, it also caused a reaction against the useful portion of PC, ie attempting to increase the facility of civil discourse.
Now that "victims" are able to decide what others must call them in order not be called out for the bigots that they doubtlessly are, I am making my demands as a member of three victim classes known to you all. As a caucasian / native american / man I have to suffer from being the minority gender, one of the few survivors of the genocide of my fellow native american people, while as a caucasian I am a member of the only ethnic group that is not only legal to discriminate against, but in some cases it is mandatory to discriminate against. I suffer attacks of one sort or another in regards to my ethnic heritage and gender. It is my right to empower myself by redefining the terms by which I am commonly referred to. By doing so all those bigots who torment me will be put on notice that I, the victim now hold the cards. If the bigots do not call me by terms that I myself have adopted as the proper terms for referring to me from this point forward, then they shall be publicly exposed and ridiculed, and if they persist I shall be filing a civil rights lawsuit to put an end to the hostile environment. From now caucasian-american indian males shall be referred to as "Our Righteous Overlords". Thank you, and watch your tongues!
p.s. My girlfriend wants everyone to call her "Memsahib". Thanks again.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:22
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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
As the post from The Mad Monk shows, the woman did not get fired.
Is Tingkai always this thick?
The fact that she was penalized at all is outrageous. It should also be noted that it isn't over, and she may well still end up getting fired. |
Okay MM, let's go over this again and see if you can follow these simple facts.
JT wrote that a teacher was fired for teaching the word niggardly.
You posted a news article that shows the teacher was not fired.
I used the article you posted to indicate that JT made a mistake.
What part of this do you not understand?
As well, the teacher was not "penalized" as you claim.
Edit: It's not clear whether the teacher was penalized. An ananova article says she was reprimanded (which could mean anything from being told "that wasn't a good idea" to "Do that again and you're fired." The article posted by MM makes no mention of a reprimand.
Last edited by Tingkai on 30-09-2002 at 10:19
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:22
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Originally posted by Sikander
Good post. I agree that the effort to educate people about what was thoughtful in a society where (for example) many whites did not have any interaction with blacks etc. was hijacked early on by those who wanted to use language as a means of social control. These self-appointed arbiters of "correctness" left the realm of politeness behind, and moved into the political realm.
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When one resisted one of their attempts to change society by redefining terms or selecting new terminology one would still be attacked as if they were against civility. This power grab thus not only stifled political debate, it also caused a reaction against the useful portion of PC, ie attempting to increase the facility of civil discourse.
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But doesn't this happen all the time regardless of the political stance of those calling for change, and those defending the status quo.
A year ago, anyone who challenged the American policy towards Afghanistan was verbally attacked. Anyone who criticized GW Bush back then was called disloyal.
If an American teacher taught students that the US invaded Vietnam, there would likely be an uproar.
At some point in the 80s, the American right wing started complaining that the left were forcing political correctness on everyone. This has proven to be a highly effective red herring.
Anyone who suggested that maybe, just maybe, we should use gender-neutral terms was attacked for being politically correct.
There were never any self-appointed arbitrators as you claim. At least, I don't know of anyone who appointed themself as chief of the language police with actual power.
The people calling for change, sought change through existing power structures. You can call this a power grab if you want, but then who were they grabbing the power from?
quote:
Originally posted by Sikander
They did not however have the decency to admit that by doing so their actions no longer deserved the protections and status that an effort to merely increase the civility of dialogue deserved.
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 Are you suggesting that freedom of speech changes once it enters the political realm? Exactly what protection and status was no longer deserved?
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Originally posted by Sikander
Now that "victims" are able to decide what others must call them. |
No one has the power to decide the words that others must use to describe them.
What they do have, at least in a democracy, is the right to say "We want to be called X in government documents" and the right to lobby for such changes. But the decision about what a group of people should be called remains in the hands of democratically elected representatives or civil servants (including judges).
Look at the case of the teacher who taught her students the word niggardly. The parent who complained did not have dictorial power. The power was in the hands of the principal.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:22
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
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If an American teacher taught students that the US invaded Vietnam, there would likely be an uproar. |
How come there hasn't been one for all the high school teachers that tell us that we invaded Vietnam? |
Okay, that may have been a bad example. Are you taught in high school that the US invaded Vietnam?
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:22
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Okay, then definitely a bad example. Mea culpa
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28-09-2002 03:55
]. I don't see anything wrong with the differences unless you are so paranoid as to hide yourself inside the "sameness" we all share.
, Totally right. PC isn't the same as civility, though those that support it would like it to be such.
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