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I've had in mind for several weeks to write a series of amendments to the constitution to fix minor problems that have come up in its first month of operation.
I have copied only the affected sections of the constitution (most sections have had minor changes made). Any sections deleted will be in italics, any sections added will be in bold.
Comments, please! I'm opening this up to discussion before it is put to a full poll.
For confusions sake, I'm going to post changes to each article in a seperate post.
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Article I: Commission Structure
Executive Branch
Commissioner:
Has the right of:
*Playing the game for the citizens
*Acting as he deems fit if there is an emergency
*Advising any other part of the government
Has the duties of:
*Following directors orders on there field of expertise
*Posting SAV`s and turnlogs on the forum
*Overall keeping the citizens aware of there situation.
*Holding turnchats (as long as possible) 2 times a week
*making turnthreads and keeping them updated
*Posting polls on how our bases should be named
*Serving his faction the best he can
The Commissioner shall physically play the game.
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Director Branch
All directors will have to post their general strategies in the 'office' thread. This will outline possible situations where the commissioner can not ask for orders from the directors but will have to act on the general orders.
Directors must poll all major decisions, such as deciding what science advance to pursue, what to build in a city, or where to place the workers in a particular city. However, they can act on minor decisions without polling the people, such as what to do in the event of a mindworm attack.
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Director of Peacekeeping Operations:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to move military units
*Ordering the commissioner to design military new units, disband old military units and upgrade current military units.
*Advising any other part of the government
*Requesting buildings and military units with the Director of buildings productions.
*Polling Planetary Council decisions on Atrocity Bans
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Director of Foreign Affairs
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner on talks with foreign factions
*Advising any other part of the government
*Polling on Planetary Election and Supreme Leader decisions
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Director of Energy and Industry:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to rushbuild, use money in trades, change worker placements, and move crawlers
*Advising any other part of the government
*Requesting crawlers and buildings with the Director of buildings productions.
*Polling Planetary Council decision on salvaging reactor core
*Polling Planetary Council decisions on Global Trade Pacts
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Director of Terraforming and Colonisation:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to move terraformers and colony pods
*Ordering the commissioner to design new TC units, disband old TC units and upgrade current TC units
*Advising any other part of the government
*Requesting terraformers colony pods, and buildings with the Director of buildings productions.
*Polling Planetary Council decisions on raising and lowering sea levels
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Director of Base Production
Has the duties of:
*Choosing between various requests made by the directors
*Starting polls about Special Projects
*Listing to the will of the people about the Special Projects
*Serving his faction the best he can
*Posting polls on how our bases should be named
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Article II: Government Policy
Playing ahead:
No person is allowed to play ahead to:
*Gain information about foreign factions
No person is allowed to play ahead for any reason.
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Article III: Polls
Elections:
No-confidence votes
* The word abstain is hereby stricken from the constitution, and replaced with the term 'xenobanana'. This replaces the abstain option in all official polls and elections. This then follows the time-honored precedent where a banana vote signifies disagreement with all choices on offer, or, to put it more negatively, a no-confidence vote in the poll or candidate being voted on.[B]
Official polls:
Poll:
*Xenobanana
*Write-in-option
*Minimum of 3 days
[B]*Minimum of 2 days
*Maximum of 7 days
*Clear and not biased question and answers
Unofficial:
May be started by all members of the faction. They are purely information gathering polls
Poll:
*Minimum of 3 days
First Post:
*Expire date (if any)
*Link to discussion thread (if any)
Last edited by Darkness' Edge on 01-10-2002 at 07:58
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Darkness' Edge
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Almost all of the reforms in the Director Branch concern the Planetary Council, and who is responsible for what decisions.
The only changes here that really need explaining are to do with the introductory paragraphs. I propose deleting a paragraph which really doesn't have a whole lot of use, seeing as I don't even know what it means and no one did it all last term anyway. 
The paragraph I propose adding insures that directors poll on all major decisions. Feel free to reword it in more sensible language though.
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Article I: Commission Structure (continued)
Director Branch
All directors will have to post their general strategies in the 'office' thread. This will outline possible situations where the commissioner can not ask for orders from the directors but will have to act on the general orders.
Directors must poll all major decisions, such as deciding what science advance to pursue, what to build in a city, or where to place the workers in a particular city. However, they can act on minor decisions without polling the people, such as what to do in the event of a mindworm attack.
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Director of Peacekeeping Operations:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to move military units
*Ordering the commissioner to design military new units, disband old military units and upgrade current military units.
*Advising any other part of the government
*Requesting buildings and military units with the Director of buildings productions.
*Polling Planetary Council decisions on Atrocity Bans
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Director of Foreign Affairs
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner on talks with foreign factions
*Advising any other part of the government
*Polling on Planetary Election and Supreme Leader decisions
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Director of Energy and Industry:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to rushbuild, use money in trades, change worker placements, and move crawlers
*Advising any other part of the government
*Requesting crawlers and buildings with the Director of buildings productions.
*Polling Planetary Council decision on salvaging reactor core
*Polling Planetary Council decisions on Global Trade Pacts
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Director of Terraforming and Colonisation:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to move terraformers and colony pods
*Ordering the commissioner to design new TC units, disband old TC units and upgrade current TC units
*Advising any other part of the government
*Requesting terraformers colony pods, and buildings with the Director of buildings productions.
*Polling Planetary Council decisions on raising and lowering sea levels
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Director of Base Production
Has the duties of:
*Choosing between various requests made by the directors
*Starting polls about Special Projects
*Listing to the will of the people about the Special Projects
*Serving his faction the best he can
*Posting polls on how our bases should be named
Last edited by Darkness' Edge on 29-09-2002 at 15:58
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Comrade Tassadar
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why doesnt Industry and Energy get contrl over global trade pacts?
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Darkness' Edge
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There are only minor changes to both Article III and Article III here.
The playing ahead clause has been reinserted, due to popular demand. That's all the changes to Article II.
As far as the changes to Article III go, there's three. The first is a move to clear up issues regarding Abstain votes. One of the problems here is that, when this game evolved, the time-honored Banana vote from C2 and C3 DGs was renamed 'Abstain' by DBTS to be more SMAC-like. It basically says this in the constitution as it now stands. Though this is open to change, I propose doing away with the abstain, and replacing it with a defined banana option, for clarity's sake. If the Abstain option does remain, we clearly need both an Abstain and No-confidence vote, which in my opinion, unnecessary for something that is likely to never occur again (or at best very rarely). Reinstating the banana would clear this up instantly.
The second change is an oft-requested one, decreasing the official poll time limit to two days. The third is one of common sense - eradicating the entire section on unoffical polls. The poll is unofficial - there's no need for any rules on it.
Article II: Government Policy
Playing ahead:
No person is allowed to play ahead to:
*Gain information about foreign factions
No person is allowed to play ahead for any reason.
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Article III: Polls
Elections:
No-confidence votes
* The word abstain is hereby stricken from the constitution, and replaced with the term 'xenobanana'. This replaces the abstain option in all official polls and elections. This then follows the time-honored precedent where a banana vote signifies disagreement with all choices on offer, or, to put it more negatively, a no-confidence vote in the poll or candidate being voted on.[B]
Official polls:
Poll:
*Xenobanana
*Write-in-option
*Minimum of 3 days
[B]*Minimum of 2 days
*Maximum of 7 days
*Clear and not biased question and answers
Unofficial:
May be started by all members of the faction. They are purely information gathering polls
Poll:
*Minimum of 3 days
First Post:
*Expire date (if any)
*Link to discussion thread (if any)
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Darkness' Edge
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quote:
Originally posted by Tassadar5000
why doesnt Industry and Energy get contrl over global trade pacts? |
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With the lack of a trade or economy minister, I didn't quite know where to put these. They could just as easily go to Industry and Energy.
Any other comments?
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Darkness' Edge
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Tass and I have just been talking about the issue of 'Abstain' and no-confidence.
I think a large amount of the problems here comes from a decision DBTS made with writing the constitution. (sorry mate, but it was your call ). He got rid of the banana option from the other democracy games, and replaced it with the word abstain, to sound more SMAC-like. The problem with this is, the two, definition-wise, aren't exactly the same, though constitutionally, abstain is a renamed banana vote (that is actually in the constitution).
The people have clearly voted for a no-confidence motion, but to clear this up in future, I suggest doing away with the 'Abstain' option, and replacing it with a 'Banana' option, like the other DGs. It might not be as SMAC-like, but it would stop this from happening again, as a banana vote has always been a vote of no-confidence in the candidates or poll choices.
Have I made any sense?
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Darkness' Edge
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quote:
Originally posted by DeathByTheSword
@DE about the banana thing I dont like the name but i can agree with you maybe besides a write-in and abstain we can have an extra one because Tass voted abstain because the didnt like the election times and the rest voted for no-confidence. now you will have to choisen in one name split it or dont but renaming it doesnt matter...atleast that is what i think. |
Actually, in the DoSE election, Tass publically stated that he was also placing a vote of no-confidence.
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Originally posted by DeathByTheSword
what do you think!? |
Yes.
Time for draft number two.
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Darkness' Edge
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quote:
Originally posted by DeathByTheSword
and here is my problem in an election you dont know if it is a no-confidence vote in the poll or in the candidate..... |
I really don't think this matters.
It's never happened before, it will likely never happen again.
A no-confidence vote in a candidate doesn't happen easily. There has to be an overwhelming backlash for it to happen, which is why it has never happened before.
I've been trying to word this up for about five minutes, and I've just about given up. Let me put it this way. In all the time both democracy games have been running, the only polls the banana has won have been stupid, informal polls that made no sense. There was one concentrated effort in the C3DG, but even that petered out, and he was returned reasonably comfortably. They use the banana in this method, even with their ridiculous attention to detail, and haven't had any problems.
If it's good enough for them, why shouldn't it be good enough for our more informal game?
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Darkness' Edge
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quote:
Originally posted by TKG
i think there should be something in the constitution about "if a director is away for a certain period of time without notifying the commissioner (or anyone else) ahead of time that he/she will be away, then they need to be replaced" |
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That's really not a bad idea.
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Originally posted by TKG
once we get a lot of bases, are we going to divide them up into regions? maybe 4 bases per region or so. if we use regions, IMO we'll need a DTC, DBP and DEI for each region, otherwise, managing 20+ bases would be too much for 1 person to do.
that or combine the DTC, DBP and DEI and make region governors. just a though |
We're going to need a LOT more people. The Civ3 game's the only one on Apolyton that can handle a system like that at the moment.
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Darkness' Edge
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It's not an issue that's too important yet.
But once we have, say, 10 to 20 bases, I think any ministry that needs it should start taking on Deputy Ministers, like the C3DG.
Base Production and Industry and Energy, certainly, are going to need some. Later on, Foreign Affairs and Peacekeeping Operations may need some as well.
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- Groucho -
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I said this in the poll thread but it probably should have been here:
Polling for worker placements should not be in the constitution. There will be way too many of them very soon - already it's getting out of hand. Instead we should have base production polls like:
Please indicate how production at TBIBTU should be optimized:
For MINERAL production
For FOOD production
For ENERGY production
For RESEARCH production
For [I can't remember the other talents] production
For BALANCED production
The Director would then place workers/assign talents to optimize production of whatever we're after. Any more detail is way too much macro-micro-management.
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