30-09-2002 22:02									#1
	Official: Canal base worker placements? Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

This is a three-day multichoice poll. One vote for the first worker, one vote for the second.

There seem to be three reasonable choices for placing our workers:
Either one of the many rolling & moist tiles,
either one of the two rocky minerals tiles,
or the Freshwater tile with an energy bonus. That tile is located in currently unknown territory, where my cursor is placed on the map. I discovered it while playing a game myself on the Huge Map of Planet, and I found I should include it in the poll - we'll uncover the tile anyway once the CP or a Scout Patrol passes in that area.

Discuss and vote ahead!

Attachment: portsuez.bmp
This has been downloaded 4 time(s).

	30-09-2002 22:30									#2
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

One food, one prod.

	30-09-2002 22:38									#3
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

i agree

	01-10-2002 01:42									#4
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Here's a pic:

(BTW, Maniac, MS Photo Editor can convert most *.bmp files into *.gif files without the awful colors Paint inserts when you convert it there. That, and *.gifs are smaller and will show as attachments.)

Edit: What energy tile?

Attachment: portsuez.gif
This has been downloaded 29 time(s).

	01-10-2002 02:06									#5
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

That energy tile under the cursor that isn't discovered yet but which my empaths tell me is there.

	01-10-2002 02:12									#6
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Im afraid we wont be able to harvest these freshwater/energy tile just when we will found the base...

	01-10-2002 02:23									#7
	Get a bigger avatar today!

In that case the second choice for the first worker squad will be harvested until that tile is discovered.

	01-10-2002 02:26									#8
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I guess so, but the question remains : why put it in the poll since we know we cannot harvest this tile as our first worker ? Havent u been too efficient with your empaths ?

	01-10-2002 02:29									#9
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

We can harvest that tile as our first worker. A scout patrol just has to pass the tile two South of the northern minerals, either by the exploring scout patrol, or a garrison scout patrol.

Man, what a mess when one has foreknowledge...

	01-10-2002 02:35									#10
	Full PM-box? Change here!

And where will that scout patrol come from ? The one who is already there would waste time turning back, while if we can send a new scout patrol with the colony pod, it would leave this Suez-base without any defence for four years ! And the problem is that we dont even know if we'll be able to have this CP escorted by scouts. It will depend on several polls, and what if mindworms attack us and kills only the scout, leaving the CP alone etc... etc...
* Pandemoniak is not an empath and cannot figure out all the probabilities
You should not foreknowledge anyway, if you see what I mean... (We havent discover Empathy yet !)

	01-10-2002 03:07									#11
	Suffering from ads?

Did I insult you in some way Pandemoniak? Why are you making such a fuss (sp?) out of this?

quote: The one who is already there would waste time turning back

How so? It doesn't cross known territory, so it's not wasting time.

quote: while if we can send a new scout patrol with the colony pod, it would leave this Suez-base without any defence for four years !

If we send a scout patrol with the CP, it'll be New Apolyton that will be undefended for three years, not Port Suez.

quote: And the problem is that we dont even know if we'll be able to have this CP escorted by scouts. It will depend on several polls

I know. But the problem is I can't wait on these polls because everyone seems to insist on playing this game as soon as possible. I can't help that.

quote: and what if mindworms attack us and kills only the scout, leaving the CP alone etc... etc...

You're kidding right? Why do you organize polls about what we'll do with our formers? The chance exists they'll be killed by mindworms!

quote: /me is not an empath and cannot figure out all the probabilities

I'm not an empath either, and I can't figure out all probabilities, plus it would take too long to poll all those probabilities. So I have to organize polls having the most probable scenarios in mind. Discovering that Freshwater energy seemed quite probable to me, so I included in the poll.

I had to make a choice:
A) not include the Freshwater energy in the poll because we hadn't discovered it yet, possibly leading to DBTS playing the game with the first worker of Port Suez on rolling & moist for say 10 years, while we probably would have discovered that Freshwater energy only two years in the next turnplaysession anyway.
Or
B) include it in the poll and avoid all the bureaucratic hassle of option A, and avoid possibly wasting resources like happened in the previous term because the Freshwater option wasn't in the poll and because the commissioner doesn't tell the directors if anything special happens during the turnplay what could change the director's orders. I'm sorry to say, but that's at least the impression I got from the previous turnchats.

What would you have done?

My my... I feel like needing a drink in the Rec Commons...

	01-10-2002 03:19									#12
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

OOC Well, it's not you insulted me, its just that playing ahead or using knowledge from other SPs games can be very annoying. Roleplayingly annoying, I mean. (IMHO) /OOC

And I would have choosen option (A) and ask for a directorate's vote to switch from Moist/Rolling to Freshwater/energy. I prefer the bureaucratic hassle than giving an option I am not sure about to our UN citizens. Anyway, I dont think thats so important, since the eastern scout will hopefully scout this energy.
Did you got your free drink at the rec Commons ?

	01-10-2002 03:32									#13
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: its just that playing ahead or using knowledge from other SPs games can be very annoying

What can I say? I couldn't resist the temptation of not using that information. Knowledge corrupts? That'll teach me playing a SP game on the HMoP.

quote: And I would have choosen option (A) and ask for a directorate's vote to switch from Moist/Rolling to Freshwater/energy.

I would prefer that as well, but I wanted to be on the safe side. It's sorry to say because Darkness' Edge is a nice guy and is willing to take up a director seat unlike many others, but I think he didn't do a very good job as Commissioner. In the turnchats he rarely mentioned what was happening during his playsession. So I wanted to prevent a loss of resources in case our new commissioner wouldn't report the discovery of that energy bonus either.

And I took a New Caledonian. That way you gain your money back.