03-10-2002 10:50									#61
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I've never waited tables (though I have worked in the kitchen of a nursing home, which put me off food altogether for a while; but I digress...), so I'm asking the experienced servers here:

People have mentioned age and race as factors, but I didn't see any one mention gender and group composition. But I have a friend who swears that the best tips always come from pairs/groups of guys, the worst tips always come from pairs/groups of women, and mixed male-female groups are in the middle (obviously). Whaddaya think?

	03-10-2002 10:52									#62
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When I've been in a group of guys at a restaurant we always tipped really well, no one wanted to seem stingy and all. Don't know if all groups are like that.

	03-10-2002 10:56									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Asher When I've been in a group of guys at a restaurant we always tipped really well, no one wanted to seem stingy and all. Don't know if all groups are like that.

Exactly, plus throwing money around is a form of machismo. That's always been my experience, too.

	03-10-2002 11:51									#64
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quote: Anectdotal evidence only. I see nothing to make me believe Kaak's and Che's experiences can be extended to a general rule.

Wait tables for a couple weeks...

	03-10-2002 18:56									#65
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My friends and I usually tip around 20%...

	03-10-2002 19:54									#66
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See... the tipping culture is totally different. $2.25 an hour is obscene. You couldn't pay someone that here, it's about 1/3 of minimum wage.

New Zealand's the same as Australia I think, people there would sometimes get offended if you tried to tip them but they definitely appreciated you being nice to them.

The UK is about half way between the two extremes. It's fairly normal to tip around 10% but you certainly wouldn't do it if the service was crap and you could tip more if you thought it was exceptional.

	03-10-2002 20:12									#67
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH See... the tipping culture is totally different. $2.25 an hour is obscene. You couldn't pay someone that here, it's about 1/3 of minimum wage.

I'm not sure if they were joking about the $2.25 thing here...that's well below minimum wage here, and the people I know here who wait tables do so for a bit above min. wage plus tips and make really good money.

	03-10-2002 21:34									#68
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That is the whole point. The restaurants are allowed to pay below minimum wage, because the waitstaff is working for tips. I know some restaurants that pay less than $2.00 an hour. This is why I say, if you can't or are too cheap to tip in the US, eat at home.

	03-10-2002 22:27									#69
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	03-10-2002 22:27									#70
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Also people who don't speak English piss me off - even more so when they expect us to speak Spanish. Get a ****ing clue, this is America.

So glad that YOU are able to speak fluently in every country's language that you visit, David.

As for those who do not speak English that live in the United States -- they are probably in the process of trying to learn it -- but you probably never even considered that, have you?

	03-10-2002 22:30									#71
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quote: So glad that YOU are able to speak in a fluent country in every country that you visit, David.

The only time I've ever visited a country where I didn't know the language was when I went to Cancun. Cancun, though, is a special case, because the part I was in (the party part) is simply an extension of America with Mexican drinking laws.

Further, I didn't go into Mexican department stores outside of the resort area and start babbling in English, expecting someone to understand.

quote: As for those who do not speak English that live in the United States -- they are probably in the process of trying to learn it -- but you probably never even considered that, have you?

I don't really believe that - if they were really trying to learn English, they wouldn't be crying about and demanding bilingual education and speaking Spanish at home to their kids. They'd be teaching English FIRST, speaking ONLY English around their kids, and encouraging ENGLISH ONLY education.
Actually, they shouldn't even have come here to live if they can't speak English, but I'm sure we've had this argument before.

	04-10-2002 09:04									#72
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see..i wouldn't mind if tipping was a "you feel like it" and techinically it is..because alot of people don't realize that many waiters work for under minimum wage...last night was my first night at $2.13 per hour.....i literally must live off tips because even if i work 8 hours, i'm getting $16 on my pay check.
and as far as baylor tippers...they usually tip...which is good...but they don't necessarily tip high.
and another thing..when a restaurant is understaffed and you have one little waiter running around serving the whole restaurant...do you tend to be more understanding when the service is slow....that happened to me the other day..and we only had one cook and i was serving...and some people were really understanding cause they saw me hauling ass..and other still expected everything lickity split..which is impossible when you have to do the whole store

	04-10-2002 09:58									#73
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yup. I Think that is what most people don't understand. WE MAKE $2.13 AN HOUR. This is why tips are important to us. NOT ONLY THAT, but we have to tip out. 1% of our total sales go to the bar tender, and 1% go to the Buss boys...If you and five of your closest friends come in and spend $100 bucks, We have to tip out 2$ whether you leave us a dime or not...

	04-10-2002 11:08									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola Anectdotal evidence only. I see nothing to make me believe Kaak's and Che's experiences can be extended to a general rule.

I never said it was a rule. If it were a rule, you could depend upon it, and wait staff problably wouldn't spend much effort on Black customers. It is frequently, but not always, the case that Black customers don't tip.

Also consider, Lefty, that Southerns are a hell of a lot more polite than Notherners. So it may well be that diminished Black tipping isn't a problem in the South.

	04-10-2002 11:23									#75
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Yeah… that's it… SUuuuuure.
I think you'll find that Northeners (except for obnoxious NYCers) are pretty damn polite!

	04-10-2002 11:23									#76
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The worst part, for me and funny now, when I was waiting tables, was the waiter nightmare. I don't know if you any of you have had it. In my nightmare, I have to wait on a huge number of tables and I am unable to get to any of them. The customers are yelling and no one is getting anything and more customers keep coming in. Any of you waiters ever had this dream?

	04-10-2002 11:26									#77
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 I think you'll find that Northeners (except for obnoxious NYCers) are pretty damn polite!

I AM a Northerner. The difference is startling once you are emersed in Southern culture.

	04-10-2002 11:27									#78
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Frankly I find it impolite for strangers to talk to me with meaningless chatter.

But hey, different standards.

	04-10-2002 11:43									#79
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Che is right, southerners are far more polite, at least in my experience.

	04-10-2002 11:45									#80
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i am deep in texas...doesn't help...

	04-10-2002 11:47									#81
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Question about southern hospitality:

How well received would it be if I walked around holding hands with a man? What if a kiss happened?

Would they still be so polite and generous?

The South is a very weird area, it's only polite if you meet their criteria.

	04-10-2002 11:50									#82
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Asher, I see your point, but gays get assaulted in the heart of San Francisco, which is practically a safe haven for homosexuals.

	04-10-2002 11:51									#83
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People get assaulted anywhere for anything.

The South is still, by far, less receptive to the idea than San Francisco or Canada...

	04-10-2002 11:54									#84
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What really annoys me is when a restaurant is run by a cheap-skate owner and doesn't employ nearly enough people to properly run the restaurant and regardless of how hard you work, people will still be annoyed by your lack of speed and service and undertip you. ARGH!

	04-10-2002 11:55									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak actually, it is quite the opposite. I'm one of those damned people that thinks that everyone is an individual, and deserves my best effort until they prove otherwise. If anything, I would say that I actually give blacks better service than others, because i take extreme caution not to mess anything up, and pay very close attention to what they want. Yet, still, no joy...

I can't be arsed to read this whole thread, but are you trying too hard? Maybe relax and be yourself. See what happens.

	04-10-2002 12:01									#86
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not you either: i am very good at waiting tables, and very good at getting people to see me exactly as i want them to. I promise you, it is a genereal consensus here. Black people on average just don't tip as well.

quote: People get assaulted anywhere for anything. The South is still, by far, less receptive to the idea than San Francisco or Canada...

But asher, the response you would get in the south would still be the response you would get anywhere else. even though it isn't normal for southerners...

	04-10-2002 12:12									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak not you either: i am very good at waiting tables, and very good at getting people to see me exactly as i want them to. I promise you, it is a genereal consensus here. Black people on average just don't tip as well.

I don't wanna pee in your corn flakes, but what if they sense that something is up because you are managing yourself because they are black?

I am not that perceptive. I prolly could not tell the difference, but then again I have not lived my life waiting for the stuff that a black person lives with every day.

Were I black, and were I to sense a difference in the person I was dealing with as opposed to what is going on at the tables around me, it would certainly have an effect on my reaction. You might try too hard?

That's all.

	04-10-2002 12:15									#88
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NYE, read the thread.

	04-10-2002 12:19									#89
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I have glanced at a few pages of it. It's pretty frightful.

	04-10-2002 12:20									#90
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Read the part where I asked my Black friends about it, including my GF of 12 years.