02-10-2002 06:47									#31
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There was blood spattered everywhere. It was a vicious beating. And some of those kids were only kids in the legal sense. At 18, many kids can go toe to toe with us men.

	02-10-2002 06:54									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse You'll probably find the guy wasn't "beaten to death" but hit his head on the pavement or had a heart attack or something like that. The story sounds like a bit of a beat up (excuse the pun) to me - anybody got a link?

This is in Jimmytrick's thread:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/sep02/84175.asp

	02-10-2002 07:05									#33
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"You'll probably find the guy wasn't "beaten to death" but hit his head on the pavement or had a heart attack or something like that."

Oh how naive we can be.

Lauren: Yeh, that's a real shame. A real shame.

	02-10-2002 07:09									#34
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quote: Originally posted by DanS "You'll probably find the guy wasn't "beaten to death" but hit his head on the pavement or had a heart attack or something like that." Oh how naive we can be.

How is it naive? Happens all the time. Fist fights in bars, the guy falls awkwardly. You're up for manslaughter.

People with heart conditions, you never know, they might not know. That's why you should never brawl with people.

I don't rule out the beaten to death option but that's rare - give us a link please?

	02-10-2002 07:12									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse How is it naive? Happens all the time. Fist fights in bars, the guy falls awkwardly. You're up for manslaughter. People with heart conditions, you never know, they might not know. That's why you should never brawl with people. I don't rule out the beaten to death option but that's rare - give us a link please?

Look above DanS's post.

	02-10-2002 07:13									#36
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Horsie, reread the article. The man's blood was spattered on the walls and ceiling of his apartment and he was dragged outside to finish the beating. There was nothing accidental about it.

	02-10-2002 07:14									#37
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The man was killed: http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/Midwest/...b.ap/index.html

	02-10-2002 07:28									#38
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Thanks for the links - but let's see what the autopsy says.

quote: Incidents of mob violence are "tragic, unexplainable events" and extremely rare, said Stan Stojkovic, associate dean of criminal justice at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.

Let's not forget that, which is kind of my point.

	02-10-2002 07:30									#39
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"How is it naive? Happens all the time. Fist fights in bars, the guy falls awkwardly. You're up for manslaughter."

Your innocence is sweet, horsie.

It's naive because in many of these neighborhoods, such a thing happening in the manner you describe would be the exception to the rule rather than the rule.

	02-10-2002 07:34									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse How is it naive? Happens all the time. Fist fights in bars, the guy falls awkwardly. You're up for manslaughter.

Fights in bars usually don't involve one against 20. Whether the 20 are kids or not.

Still, death could have come from hitting his head on the ground or somesuch, but he wouldn't have hit it if he wasn't attacked by 20 people.

	02-10-2002 07:36									#41
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quote: Originally posted by DanS "How is it naive? Happens all the time. Fist fights in bars, the guy falls awkwardly. You're up for manslaughter." Your innocence is sweet, horsie.

Oh don't flatter me - I've seen things that would make your hair curl (made mine turn grey and fall out as it happens). You want to see mob violence? Go and live in Indonesia for a few years. You know how they deal with petty thieves in the wet markets there? That was fun to watch during my morning shopping. Gave me a big appetite for lunch.

quote: It's naive because in many of these neighborhoods, such a thing happening in the manner you describe would be the exception to the rule rather than the rule.

Evidence? This is a rare tragic event.

And could all still be a bit of a media beat up. Let's see the autopsy before we all form vigilante groups.

	02-10-2002 07:37									#42
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AH, the beating apparently continued for quite a few minutes, and involved the use of real weapons.

Hit somebody on the head with a 2X4 a few times and it's not "bad luck" when he dies.

I'm going to assume that this is just one of your more desperate trolls and let it go...

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quote: Originally posted by Frogger Hit somebody on the head with a 2X4 a few times and it's not "bad luck" when he dies.

I thought I said that

Irony really goes right over the head of you North Americans. Why?

When are you going to realise that English actually operates at an almost infinite number of levels of meaning beyond the literal?

Probably never

No wonder many people think Americans are dense.

	02-10-2002 08:07									#44
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quote: I'm going to assume that this is just one of your more desperate trolls and let it go...

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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I thought I said that Irony really goes right over the head of you North Americans. Why? When are you going to realise that English actually operates at an almost infinite number of levels of meaning beyond the literal? Probably never No wonder many people think Americans are dense.

He's Canadian.

But we don't get Irony or Sarcasm in North America so stow it!

	02-10-2002 08:20									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski He's Canadian. But we don't get Irony or Sarcasm in North America so stow it!

Canadian, Milwaukian, same, same.

Where does the laughter start? Mexico?

	02-10-2002 08:31									#47
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Teaxs thaws out a little bit, there are quite a few Hispanics here........

	02-10-2002 08:36									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Teaxs thaws out a little bit, there are quite a few Hispanics here........

Yeah, we Aussies like Texans

	02-10-2002 08:38									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Yeah, we Aussies like Texans

I'm not officially a Texan, only been here a year. But I liked Australia.

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****ers, plain and simple

	02-10-2002 22:01									#51
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Bump so more people don't start a thread on the same subject

	02-10-2002 22:20									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer As long as there's no drug dealing and robbing stores, that's not that big of a problem for the community honestly, as sinful as those people are.

Fighting, drinking and vandalizing are not that big of a problem for the community, but drug dealing is?

Maybe I'm corrupted by the realities of a civilized drug culture, one that doesn't involve mob violence and shootings, but I always figured people who bought and sold products were simply businessmen. The problems with drug dealing arise when people who are savage and brutal get involved. Hippies and college kids, whether black, white, green, or whatever, tend to have a greater respect for human life and dignity.

I see your point, some people shouldn't be drug dealers, but the real problem is that some people are violent little beasts who should be dealt with like savage little beasts - and that means extreme brutality. I don't care if a kid is 10 or not, if he's so cruel and heartless that he can beat a man to death, he doesn't deserve to be treated with the dignity normally reserved for humans.

And Lauren, my brother lives in Kenosha. And he definitely is a wannabe hick.

	02-10-2002 22:23									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Bump so more people don't start a thread on the same subject

Sorry Ming.

	02-10-2002 22:29									#54
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Me too Ming.

	03-10-2002 00:03									#55
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a real shame

All about violence and proving how tough you are. Hey, now they can boast they have a felony...real tough now. Have fun getting a job or explaining to future wife/kids why you have that.

	03-10-2002 00:05									#56
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I hope they charge the lot of them as adults.

	03-10-2002 02:17									#57
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I saw a picture of a wall sprayed with blood last night. This was a vicious and savage attack, with bats, 2x4s and shovels.

Let this be a lesson to you, don't go punching people in the mouth.

	03-10-2002 03:14									#58
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Che - don't know if you heard or not, but Gary has regained the lead for most murders per person in the country. What is it about heavy industry that attracts that kind of culture?

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Let this be a lesson to you, don't go punching people in the mouth.

He deserved it then.

	03-10-2002 04:04									#60
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quote: Originally posted by MacTBone What is it about heavy industry that attracts that kind of culture?

It's not the heavy industry that does it, it's the heavy industry going away that does it.