02-10-2002 05:22									#1
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the guy who was beat to death by 20 kids in milwaukee happened like 3 blocks from my house. It is a rough area but I wonder why 10 year olds would do somthing like this? Who I have probably seen roaming down the streets at night in my area too.

Sad. Why is there so much violence?

	02-10-2002 05:26									#2
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Because we've been bombarded with it every day in our lives. Things we never used to even think about are now the norm. We are way to desensetized to the violence that goes on every day. We just simply didn't used to allow people to behave like that.

	02-10-2002 05:30									#3
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ya but a man is dead. Someone threw an egg at him. He told them to stop, and now he is dead. Well brain dead on breathing tube. But soon will die


This stuff where people get there respect for beating people up needs to stop now.

	02-10-2002 05:33									#4
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There's violence in Milwaukee?!

Yeah violence is real common now. I should know cause I live in the supposedly 2nd most murderous city in the world after DC. A couple months ago, we had a mass shooting in my apartment building. Some guy had some problem (i think it was drug induced and related to sex) and started busting. Two men and a woman got shot and killed. We got a murder about once a year in my building but that was especially bad to have three people get wet up.


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	02-10-2002 05:33									#5
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He also punched one of the kids. If someone punched one of my friend's teeth out, I'd probably jump him. Don't think I'd beat him to death though.

	02-10-2002 05:37									#6
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Yes these were little kids. 10 years old and 12. Now as I speak there are cop cars still rounding up anything that goes out on the streets. So far 10 of the Kids have been arrested. About 40 others questioned.

Now I knew the dead guy punched him. But really why would he be throwing eggs at a bicycler? See I would of just flipped him off and rode away. It wasnt worth it. Theres to much confrontation in this damn world.

	02-10-2002 05:42									#7
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Kids can be a-holes. And some of them were as old as 18. Yeah, I probably would have just ignored them and kept going, if I lived in a gang neighborhood. On the other hand, I don't look like the kinda guy you wanna f*** with.

	02-10-2002 05:43									#8
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Lauren:

No one wants to be a *****. No one wants to just take a beating without fighting back. There's nothing wrong with fighting back except when guns and knives get involved and **** (maybe also some drugs and alcohol), everything just gets crazy.

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	02-10-2002 05:44									#9
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Chegitz:

gang neighbourhood? Milwaukee?

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Right, cuz Philly is the only city in the country with gangs. Milwaukee got clobbered by the capital flight in the '80s and '90s, and while it is one of my favorite burgs, there are definately some rough neighborhoods.

	02-10-2002 05:48									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Chegitz: gang neighbourhood? Milwaukee?

You may be suprised to hear this Albert, but they even have gangs in Utah.

	02-10-2002 05:52									#12
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How old does one have to be, to be executed in Wisconsin?
Or did it happen because they're all "misunderstood"?

	02-10-2002 05:53									#13
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There everywhere. Alot here. Like I said I live in a fairly bad area. I see the stuff that goes on alot. They just hang out on the corners all day smoking and drinking. Fighting and sometimes vandalizing. Boring life for them..but who am I to talk.

	02-10-2002 05:57									#14
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that is scary

Jon Miller

	02-10-2002 05:59									#15
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I dont follow politics and stuff. I hate the subject. So I would not know if there is the death penalty here.

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There's no death penalty in Wisconsin. It's one of the civilized states.

	02-10-2002 06:03									#17
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Oh well yeah, I can tell. Masses of 10 year olds beating someone to death.
Definitely civilized.

	02-10-2002 06:06									#18
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Only civilized until you get 30 minutes out of milwaukee to the south towards Sheboygan kenosha and wannabe milwaukee racine. Then you find everybody between you and chicago is a wannbe hick. Wannabe cause there not. Nothing against hicks. But nothing is worse than an imitation hick.

	02-10-2002 06:11									#19
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And why would you feel the need to explain your "hick" feelings, Lauren?
Che knows, and accepts, he's a hick.
That's what you meant, isn't it?

	02-10-2002 06:13									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer We got a murder about once a year in my building

We get about a murder once a year in our city

There were some teenagers out making a hell of noise a few nights ago in our street. Some neighbours dealt with it with a few well chosen dire threats - but the threats were a few smacks in the head and hard kicks up the arse, not gunfire.

	02-10-2002 06:14									#21
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But milwaukee?! that's the midwest! alright but I always figured people in trailer parks (and bikers) organized themselves into gangs so I guess these old midwest former industrial cities would have their share of blight and similiar problems. still odd though.

quote: They just hang out on the corners all day smoking and drinking. Fighting and sometimes vandalizing.

As long as there's no drug dealing and robbing stores, that's not that big of a problem for the community honestly, as sinful as those people are.


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	02-10-2002 06:16									#22
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I wish you well Speer and all your friends - such nice kids I thought - give us all hope for the future. No place to bring up children your neighbourhood.

	02-10-2002 06:18									#23
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AH:

Actually once a year in a non-section 8 apartment building isnt that bad. I go about half a mile away into the Whitehall projects and its there that they got a murder every few months. But still thats nothing compared to the neighbourhoods that people call the real ghetto up in north philly... **** is ridiculous up there

How big is your city though?


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	02-10-2002 06:19									#24
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I just feel bad for the guy. And cause its so darn close to my place and such a big story.

	02-10-2002 06:20									#25
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Lauren:

I still dont understand. He got attacked and killed by teenagers? What did they do? Shot him?

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Yep, the Midwest is this one big farmland with a few suburbs and Amish Communities. Oh, and Chicago, and Detroit, and Indianapolis, and Cincinatti, and Cleveland. Not much, nope, not much at all.

Oh, and I would think that the amount of violence is on par emotionally with what other generations had to deal with. You know, slaughtering farm animals, hunting, etc. It's just that now, it's fake.

	02-10-2002 06:25									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer How big is your city though?

Only 300,000. Its kind of like a university town or a big country town, even thought its the national capital.

We don't have anything like the murder rate you got there in the US because hand guns are almost impossible to get and there are automatically heavy prison sentences for carrying or using almost any kind of weapon.

	02-10-2002 06:35									#28
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i threw a slurpee at a cyclist once. i knew the kid though, so it wasnt a random act

	02-10-2002 06:44									#29
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Just cuz Philly's the friggan armpit of the East Coast, and the only good thing you can say about it is that it ain't Camden doesn't mean that the rest of the country doesn't have it's problems. There are big cities in the Midwest. Bigger than Philly even. With serious problems. Take Gary, Indiana (please!). A few years back the police were out fought by a gang with bullet proof vests and automatic assault weapons.

	02-10-2002 06:45									#30
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You'll probably find the guy wasn't "beaten to death" but hit his head on the pavement or had a heart attack or something like that. The story sounds like a bit of a beat up (excuse the pun) to me - anybody got a link?

Those kids shouldn't have been attacking the guy but I suspect they were unlucky. That's the risk you take when you physically assault someone. A lot of people are in jail for "bad luck" like that.