03-10-2002 02:22									#1
	Turnchat protocol Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I think perhaps we should start thinking about setting up some sort of protocol for larger turnchats. At those last term, only a portion of the directors turned up, and it wasn't so bad. But this turnchat, with the entire Director Branch here, it's just nuts. There's a whole lot of questions being asked, and quite a few are getting buried, and it's a bit difficult to find out what's going on.

It appears we're now running into some of the problems that the C3DG has had with turnchats...

	03-10-2002 02:53									#2
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Well one thing could be that you give the Commissioner, or if he's not too knowledgeable of the IRC op commands, someone trustworthy the operator status and have the chat moderated, i.e. only directors can speak and only after asking for permission from the Commissioner/operator. Of course this'll bog you down but at least you won't get confused.

Just a thought...

	03-10-2002 03:09									#3
	Tired of ads?

That's possible, but might be a bit extreme.

A couple of things came out of this

Firstly, the Commish needs to keep the Council up to date on what's going on. It's not good enough to only pop your head back in when you need a quickpoll held - we need to know what's going on.

Secondly, if we try to cut back on the chatter, and the Commish is on the ball, I think this'll be alright next time.

EDIT: I'm not trying to put the blame on the Commish here...it's a problem with the system, not the Commish, but keeping the Council up to date would help things along, and lessen the amount of questions that have to be asked again, etc.

	03-10-2002 03:17									#4
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

I suggest that :
1. The Commissioner has to let the Council know about EVERYTHING going on in the game, especially beginning of new turns, movements, and actions.

2. Only the Commissioner or someone appointed by him can start a quickpoll. He has the duty to annouce the different options, and precise the parameters needed for this vote. He annouces the opening and the closure of each quickpoll.

3. Any director can pause the game in order to ask a question or a poll to the Commissionner.

	03-10-2002 03:51									#5
	Inflate your Upload Space

I agree with Pandemoniak.

	03-10-2002 03:54									#6
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

except for 2. i think each director should be allowed to start a quickpoll if it relates to his/her department.

	03-10-2002 05:18									#7
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Good point.

	03-10-2002 05:42									#8
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Good points Pande and TKG. Quickpolls work well in the Civ3DG where you give the choices in terms of a number or letter. That makes it easy to collate results too.

eg 1. Option A 2. Option B 3. Abstain

It's easy to see instantly the 1s and 2s and 3s - much shorter sentences than all the rest.

to letting the Directorate (and talents, if any present) know exactly what moves are being made. This could be done in a different colour, which only the Commish or AT (whoever's playing the game) can use. It helps with playing along too. I think otherwise we just need to regulate ourselves a little.

Just my observations. And yes, I have a more complete log than anyone.

[09:04] Has MWIA said something already? He's already in this room for hours I noticed
[09:04] he is always in the room it is not him something wrong with the server i think
[09:04] aha
[09:05] well, he created the room, actually, didnt he ?

Yes I did. And there is nothing wrong with the server. I was asleep. I'm sure I thought about waking up - but I blame extreme exhaustion.

	03-10-2002 12:57									#9
	Support Apolyton

Good point TKG
Any director can start a quickpoll related to his/her departement with the same restriction as Commissionner .

	03-10-2002 13:29									#10
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

I agree with Pandemoniak, and also with the changes TKG suggested.

	03-10-2002 15:00									#11
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

i partly agree with the system but it will slow everthing down a lot! if i have to tell what happend every turn it will be terrible if i tell about everthing every 4 or 5 turns that would be better for me

	03-10-2002 17:46									#12
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

I think we showed we need updates for every turn

	03-10-2002 18:59									#13
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

if so it will go very slow but do i have too tell about every move? also from all the formers and scouts? the rest is obvious that i have to tell about them but we have a great number of things that formers and scout need to do before i need new orders. for the rest i will ofcourse tell! ok shall i start a poll about the AA yes i will start a poll about it!

	03-10-2002 19:34									#14
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Yes and no.
I think we'd forgive you if you didn't tell us every former movement, as long as you keep us generally updated on what they're doing, and you don't need to tell us every scout movement, as long as we know generally what they're up to, and where they're heading, with updates every 2 or 3 turns.

But for a turnchat to work, even if it does slow it down, we have to be kept updated. Otherwise we may as well go back to turnthreads.

	03-10-2002 19:40									#15
	Got spare money?

ok i am ofcourse ok with it all and i like MWIA idea on quickpolling 1-2-3 is much easier then yes-no-abstain i will tell you all when i begin a new turn and stuff and i will tell what happens ok who is for friday or saturday normal time OR sunday around 20.00 GMT

	03-10-2002 19:44									#16
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I can live with Friday and maybe Saturday. Sunday is out. Curse you Monday mornings!

	03-10-2002 19:45									#17
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

i think it will be saturday because friday is tomorrow allready

saturday who?

	03-10-2002 20:12									#18
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by DeathByTheSword i think it will be saturday because friday is tomorrow allready saturday who?

Err, I can't say I've ever met anyone called "Saturday" before....

	04-10-2002 00:13									#19
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

but who can make it? maybe an hour earlier then usual?

	04-10-2002 01:44									#20
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

This post suffers from energy failure.

Last edited by Maniac on 04-10-2002 at 02:55

	04-10-2002 05:36									#21
	Remove this text

quote: Originally posted by DeathByTheSword but who can make it? maybe an hour earlier then usual?

I'll be back by then, but if you hold it an hour earlier, forget it. I'm not getting up at 6am on my last day of holidays. If you hold it at the usual time, I'll drag myself out of bed.

	04-10-2002 05:40									#22
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Why is everyone talking about Wednesday in the turnchat room thread but it is Saturday here?

	04-10-2002 07:47									#23
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Why can't directors poll several queations in the one thread. And for that matter why don't say up to three directors put their proposals all in the same thread. Us planetarians could then respond to several proposals at the one time, rather than heve to post and exit ,post and exit.

	04-10-2002 07:49									#24
	Inflate your Upload Space

OK doing this way allows you to build up post count but (see Rec.Comms next...............)

	04-10-2002 11:44									#25
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

I could attend if we held the next one on fridays or saturdays at the usual time.

	04-10-2002 16:47									#26
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

so it i see if we want to have the australins with us we need to do it on saturday i dont think it will be aproblem for europe (except if you want to go out ) and US?

	04-10-2002 17:50									#27
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Well just sometime that isn't right where the working day is. 2200GMT on Sunday-Thursday is the same as 0800 Monday-Friday East Oz time, and 1000 the same days in NZ. Whether we have Uni, college or work, these times are, I hope you'll agree, a lot less than ideal.

OTOH, The same time on Friday or Saturday (GMT) is, although perhaps a little unsavoury at times, attainable. Even for those who may want to be out in the US or Europe, our chats go for, what, an hour at most? Surely it's easier for those with social engagements to delay them slightly than it is for one of us to attempt to take a whole hour off work (if in fact we CAN do this).

	04-10-2002 20:13									#28
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

if am all ok for saturday or friday for me it doesnt matter that much because 22.00 GMT always come at a good time except sunday

	04-10-2002 21:28									#29
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote: our chats go for, what, an hour at most

Just FYI, I think they will last 2 hours with the proposed turnchat protocol implemented.