04-10-2002 07:46									#61
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how can teenagers be depressed?

My teenage years rocked. I loved high school. I knew how good I had it.

I didn't become depressed until I was in my 20's. I blame it on the Smashing Pumpkins. Their music depressed me .

	04-10-2002 07:58									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Have you ever been on any real anti-depressants? They're not all fun and games, they have some very real and very serious sideeffects, unlike Ritalin.

I might of, actually... I know that I was on ritalin when I was a kid, along with another drug, but I don't remember what it was, or what it was for...

quote: Which is it, "chronic" or "clinical"? Is that as specific was the diagnosis was? Sounds like you're part of the ever typical umbrella case. Clincal depression is, for the most part, caused by a specific series of events in life that will depress you, not necessarily a true disorder. What medication have you been on?

I don't know, I've been to so many psychatrists that I've probably been diagnosed with both, along with a dozen other types but as you can probably tell, I don't put much stock into it and don't really remember their exact diagnoses or explenations.

And I've always refused to take medication (not that my refusal mattered as a kid).

quote: But when you've got sample sets of millions of people who have done these things, "their own experiences" slowly turn into "collective experiences" so such things can be generalized...

But what relivance do generalizations have on an individual?

	04-10-2002 08:00									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld I might of, actually... I know that I was on ritalin when I was a kid, along with another drug, but I don't remember what it was, or what it was for...

I very very much doubt it then. The FDA doesn't even recommend teenagers take them, in fact I think they're still only approved for 18+ people, but it's prescribed anyway.

quote: But what relivance do generalizations have on an individual?

Go check your original assertion, it had nothing to do with an individual.

	04-10-2002 08:04									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Go check your original assertion, it had nothing to do with an individual.

What?

	04-10-2002 08:05									#65
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quote: Depression is not a disease, it's a part of life.

	04-10-2002 08:09									#66
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So, you agree that a pyshcologist's "collective data" is no better then any schmoe's generalizations?

...or what?

	04-10-2002 08:10									#67
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i don't want a war with Laz here, but I think it's overblown. Sure, there are real cases and they need to be dealt with in a responsible manner...but too many people want to pop a pill for every twitch and cough that they may have. It's natural to be a little down every now and then...you get over it. Natural highs and such...it's no big deal...no need for pills all the time.

I guess I'm lucky to have not dealt with depression, well...ever...even though I occasionally do get depressed for a day or so...i call them bad days...and go on with my life.

	04-10-2002 08:16									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld So, you agree that a pyshcologist's "collective data" is no better then any schmoe's generalizations? ...or what?

No, I don't agree. Clinical studies have control groups and treatment groups, there are noticable effects and improvements with the legal drugs.

It's also obvious that it's very hard to dianose things like bipolar disorder since they happen in episodes over years, it's not like being diagnosed for cancer or anything. For that reason most people with bipolar are diagnosed as such in their 20s or 30s, but have since adolescence, and many more just don't get treated because they don't want to. Not only the social stigma of taking antidepressants, but because they don't want to be dependant on them or have heard about withdrawl/sideeffects issues.

I don't think antidepressant drugs are overprescribed at all, and I'd like someone to link to some sites that say it is or at least provide rationalization for it. Taking antidepressants is NOT easy and it is NOT fun. They're prescribed when therapy alone does not solve anything, for the most part -- and they work, for the most part.

Comparing it to ADD and Ritalin is stupid as hell, it's like comparing circumcisions to open heart surgeries.

	04-10-2002 08:18									#69
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Ritalin isn't an anti-depressant.

	04-10-2002 08:18									#70
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why Asher? they're both equally delicate

	04-10-2002 08:20									#71
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quote: Originally posted by orange why Asher? they're both equally delicate

Compare the withdrawls for Ritalin to Paxil
Compare the severity and occurances of sideeffects also.
Hell, compare cost.

Ritalin is a very simple drug in comparison, today's antidepressants are very powerful and can have very serious sideeffects.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Ritalin isn't an anti-depressant.

I know that, I was refering to the other 'unkown' drug that I was on - no idea what it was, or what it was for.

	04-10-2002 08:23									#73
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quote: Originally posted by orange It's natural to be a little down every now and then...you get over it.

Depression isn't being a little down. And while it is natural to be despressed, it is also natural to be killed and eaten by wild animals. That doesn't mean it is normal, desirable, or shouldn't be avoided.

	04-10-2002 08:26									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Asher today's antidepressants are very powerful and can have very serious sideeffects.

This is incorrect. In fact it is rather the opposite, they are rather mild by older medicines comparisons.

	04-10-2002 08:27									#75
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sex is the best way to cure depression. This is a proven fact.

The hard part is finding a mate when you are depressed. Depressed people aren't very attractive. At least to me. I tried going out with a self-hating depressed b!tch once, I just couldn't listen to her. Now maybe I could go out with a mute self hating-depressed person, but not one who talks.

depressed people

	04-10-2002 08:28									#76
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara This is incorrect. In fact it is rather the opposite, they are rather mild by older medicines comparisons.

How do you mean that?

I needed to sign frickin' waivers to get some of my stuff, I've never had to do that for anything else.

	04-10-2002 10:09									#77
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I really have a problem with this teenage depression thing. What the hell have teenagers today have to get depressed about? I remember bouts of sadness and depression in my youth. Its called life get over it, get on with it. This is not a medical problem. Most of you just need a good swift kick up the arse or a nice firm slap in the face. Then you would be happy because you would realise the f*cking world doesn't revolve around you and your pathetic little personal problems. Something didn't turn out right for you today? Boo f*cking Hoo!

So, how does your life compare to:

. That of a teenager growing up in a slum in a third world country?

. All the little children in your local cancer ward?

This "woe is me I want to die" bullsh*t makes me so mad

	04-10-2002 10:10									#78
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If you made that one more subtle you would have had a higher rating.

3/10

	04-10-2002 10:31									#79
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I'm serious - the only reason there's depression amongst normal young people today in Western countries is because most kids are spoilt rotten and raised to think the world owes them a f*cking living. So when they face the slightest adversity they just go to pieces.

Its all about good parenting and building good character.

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Nice try.

	04-10-2002 10:35									#81
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Its so ironic that you don't believe me

But its true

People in past generations didn't get depression because they had real life issues to deal with - like surviving every day. Go and ask your grand parents about how they dealth with the little problems in their life - like The Cold War, World War II and the Great Depression, lol.

	04-10-2002 10:36									#82
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I'm assuming for your own sake it was nothing but a troll, because it would seem you haven't a clue what the article is about nor have you read anything in this thread.

I'm doing you a favor, now admit it's a troll and scurry off to your job.

	04-10-2002 10:40									#83
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By the age of ten you had a better life and more comfort than most people in the world have for their whole life. And you're depressed?

I'd like to see some of you people tell your "terrible" "depressing" personal problems to peasant farmers in just about any Third World country you care to name!

Did you know that most people in the world don't even get 3 meals a day?

Wake up! Grow UP!

	04-10-2002 10:42									#84
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You're persistent, I'll give you that, but I'm not biting old man.

	04-10-2002 10:57									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You're persistent, I'll give you that, but I'm not biting old man.

You see, unlike some of you (and if I give up the cigs, he he) I think I have a good shot at being an old man and having a life I can look back on and marvel at.

Here's a few depression cures for you:

Help somebody else.

Get out in the fresh air.

Do something nice for somebody, maybe even (shock, horror) your mom or dad

Do some housework (Lord knows few of you seem to be helping out in that direction - you think parents are your f*cking slaves?)

Do some exercise

Join a sporting team or social group

Do some volunteer work for charity.

Smell the freaking roses.

Look up at the stars on a clear night.

Do some travel.

Take up a hobby.

Make a list of all the things you would like to do in life.

Make a list of all your favorite things.

Count your blessings.

Celebrate someone else's achievement.

Be strong so you can carry your brother.

Lend someone a shoulder to cry on.

Find something to laugh about.

Don't take yourself so seriously.

Set some achievable personal goals.

Do something hard and don't stop till you finish it.

Just get off yourself!

	04-10-2002 11:06									#86
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You beat me to it Alex. I was going to say the same exact thing when I saw the title of this thread, but I waited. I totally agree. This recent teen depression is because of spoiled teens. I was talking to this one kid once. He was in 7th grade and he said he was depressed because he said there was this girl he had crush on and she didn't like him. Boo-hoo. For me the same thing happened, but at a little bit older age, and yeah it hurts and I still want her so bad it hurts. But did I get depressed? Hell no. I thought about how about 6 billion people in the world would kill to switch lives. This whole depression thing is about kids who get sad over chapped lips.

	04-10-2002 11:09									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Just get off yourself!

That's the best advice you could give a teenager, Horsie. Well done!

I'm sure the rest of your post was equally funny but I don't have the energy to read more bait right now.

You still apparently don't seem to understand the difference between being depressed and suffering from a depressive disorder, but that's okay -- I'll let it slide. You're Australian, after all, just here for the world's amusement.

	04-10-2002 11:11									#88
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quote: Originally posted by johncmcleod You beat me to it Alex. I was going to say the same exact thing when I saw the title of this thread, but I waited. I totally agree. This recent teen depression is because of spoiled teens. I was talking to this one kid once. He was in 7th grade and he said he was depressed because he said there was this girl he had crush on and she didn't like him. Boo-hoo. For me the same thing happened, but at a little bit older age, and yeah it hurts and I still want her so bad it hurts. But did I get depressed? Hell no. I thought about how about 6 billion people in the world would kill to switch lives. This whole depression thing is about kids who get sad over chapped lips.

Words cannot describe my disappointment in the inability of morons to differenciate the average kid feeling down and out during adolescence (which is common and is not a real depressive disorder, and usually isn't diagnosed as such), and people who suffer from real disorders like being bipolar.

Are you honestly implying people who are bipolar can just suck it up and think happy thoughts and all would be good? If so, the thought of so many ignorant people in this world depresses me.

	04-10-2002 11:14									#89
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And I'm sure that the fact that my roomate had no gland to produce seratonin had nothing to do with it, eh?

	04-10-2002 11:15									#90
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Okay, some people seem to be confused about the difference between being sad and being depressed. Being sad is an emotion. Being depressed is a sickness. It's kinda like the difference say, between being in love, and being obsessed and stalking someone. One is normal, the other is a sign of a serious mental problem.

Just because the same word has two meanings depressed = sad & depressed = sick, doesn't mean that depression = depression.