20-11-2002 11:46									#301
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And play your turn.

	20-11-2002 13:43									#302
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academia is right, I'm very very ashamed to say. I did cheat on that one, it was damn stupid but I did it. I know you're all damn pissed at me for this, or at least you should be. Pap, I'm sorry for screwing up your game, good luck on the scenario. And sorry everyone else.

I've had lots of fun here, many great people and good games. Too bad I had to be a dickhead and cheat. Cheating here will make everyone think I've cheated in other PBEM's. (Which I haven't) Still, I'm going to spare everyone the worries and simply leave.

Nice playing with you

	20-11-2002 16:52									#303
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Choke i think you owe academia an apology somehow.
Also i know this isnt my game but i must admit that Pavlov has shown some courage at least by admitting what he did, most people caught out cheating seem to simply dissapear.
But still he cheated and as he rightly said it will make people suspect him in the future, so its for you lot to decide wether to let him play on or not.
And choke, apologise.

	20-11-2002 19:45									#304
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Well, that was fun while it lasted.

Pap

	20-11-2002 20:57									#305
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Hmm, how gay. I won't apologize because I'm not sorry and I won't lie. Oh well, now we can get on with the next playtest...

	20-11-2002 21:52									#306
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Why do certain people always cheat when things go bad?????
btw. Sorry for bumping in the thread (though it may be the last post)

	20-11-2002 22:09									#307
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After some reconsidering I've decided to ask nicely if I can continue my PBEM's. Excepting this one of course, it has been "corrupted" and I apologize again for that.

	20-11-2002 22:25									#308
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Darius asked me to post this:

"Choke, I know we talked on MSN but I thought I’d actually post here that I think you should apologize too. Academia was not whining, he was posting for ME because I was banned. He might not have made the case the way I would have, but the fact remains that he had a legitimate concern and posted ironclad evidence, which was exactly what he should have done. "

	20-11-2002 23:31									#309
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Guys:
I made that because the result of that "battle" caught my attention. You know, I´m not a "newbie" in PBEMs.
I´m not a guy who´s always whining or complaining all the time because an invasion failed or i lost many units in some attack.
In this game, i made some similar attacks with bombers to battleships; so i found Pavlov´s original story really hard to believe.
That´s all. I´m not interested in accusing somebody of having done something illegal just for fun. ok?
This is a game, and i want to enjoy the experience. I may win, i may lose. But i want to do it "in the right way" Am i making myself clear?

Choke:
To be honest... yes, in some way I felt offended by your comments. You may think that i was complaining because i lost some units and i was "angry" with Pavlov.
But believe me, i just noticed something wrong and I felt it was my duty to say it.

Pavlov:
We´ve already talked. You know what i think

Guys:
What are we going to do?
Obviously, i´m not planning to play my turn in this conditions. I think we should go back one turn, and redo it.

	20-11-2002 23:49									#310
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Are you guys starting a new testplay-round? If you do, could I be the axis?

	21-11-2002 14:12									#311
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I won't apologize or for that matter continue playing in this game. I am offended that this pile of steaming manure happened. However I really didn't think Pavlov had cheated and I am not sorry I said what I felt.

So Darius, I will NOT apologize because I think you and Academia had as much to do with ruining this game as Pavlov, in fact I would be more inclined to demand an apology from you three than I would be to offer one myself.

	21-11-2002 20:04									#312
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Well what the hell would you recommend? That we just go on playing knowing that he had cheated, and not telling anybody? Ridiculous. I think you are the only person in the world who would blame the people who catch a cheater.

Say I'm a cop, I catch a multiple murderer, and he goes to jail. His wife is left alone to take care of his five kids all alone, and they're forced to live in poverty. Should I feel guilty that I caught him? Absolutely not. Sure cheating isn't murder, but the logic seems the same.

Last edited by Darius871 on 21-11-2002 at 20:38

	21-11-2002 20:21									#313
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Choke, I did cheat and that's the end of that. I think academia was being very polite in his first post when he could have said: "OMFG Pavlov is a f#&$ing cheater!"

I have already apologized for ruining the game but Darius and academia simply did what's expected from PBEM players. I've talked to both of them on MSN and they've been really nice (nicer than I would expect). It was Darius who convinced me to try and keep playing in my other PBEM's.

	21-11-2002 21:41									#315
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"Say I'm a cop, I catch a multiple murderer, and he goes to jail. His wife is left alone to take care of his five kids all alone, and they're forced to live in poverty. Should I feel guilty that I caught him? Absolutely not. Sure cheating isn't murder, but the logic seems the same."

And also say that he killed hookers...a trivial matter so yes you should feel guilty.

	21-11-2002 21:45									#316
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No, murder is murder and you can't just pretend you don't know he did it! Those kids are just gonna have to starve, life sucks. And this game is just gonna have to end, life sucks.

	21-11-2002 21:49									#317
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I know this game has to end now but it didn't have to before and I do not have to apolgize.

	21-11-2002 21:51									#318
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I still don't get it so just answer this question:

What do you think academia and I should have done differently?

	22-11-2002 15:13									#319
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Kept quiet, see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil.

	22-11-2002 19:40									#320
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Well, there's only one thing I can say to that:

Wow.

I guess you're entitled to your opinion...

	02-01-2004 01:32									#321
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"how gay"?