11-10-2002 19:15									#61
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It ranks up there with Abidjan as an important world city.

	11-10-2002 19:23									#62
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this is a list of cities in where expatriates are better off.

it says nothing about the quality of life or whatever.

it propably has to do with thigs like

_amount of xenophobia
_welcoming facilities for immigrants
_job market

etc
etc

	11-10-2002 19:28									#63
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Ripon, now that is important

	11-10-2002 19:59									#64
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quote: Originally posted by JCG I'd agree that Madrid was much more livable than New York...until I learned a few things this week. Madrid now can go to where the sun doesn't shine, AFAIK.

Can you explain your problem, please?

	11-10-2002 20:03									#65
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger Ripon, now that is important

I've been to Ripon once!

	11-10-2002 20:44									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed I've been to Ripon once!

That's about a 15 minute drive from here!

	11-10-2002 20:44									#67
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 this is a list of cities in where expatriates are better off.

Not sure about other cities, but definitely very true here.

	11-10-2002 20:46									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed I've been to Ripon once!

i went out drinking there once, every pub had squaddies or farmers looking menaciingly at you

	11-10-2002 20:46									#69
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quote: Port Moresby is one of the top 150 important cities in the world?

no. I said 150 important cities, not the 150 most important cities. And for the country Port Moresby is in, it is important.

	11-10-2002 20:55									#70
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Yeah, but is the country Port Moresby is in particularly important? How many people do you know who have to go to Papua New Guinea on business?

Now Hull, that is important

Perhaps Birmingham should have been on that list as well, it would have made Port Moresby feel quite proud of itself

	11-10-2002 21:00									#71
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I thought Birmingham was destroyed in that quake.

	11-10-2002 21:02									#72
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Toronto's #4! Montreal is twice as bad to live in (#8) and Calgary is four times as bad (#16).

	11-10-2002 21:05									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin I thought Birmingham was destroyed in that quake.

Just wishful thinking Even if Birmingham had been destroyed in the earthquake, would anyone have been able to tell the difference?

	11-10-2002 21:06									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus no. I said 150 important cities, not the 150 most important cities. And for the country Port Moresby is in, it is important.

Oh, so it's not the top 150, but some randomly selected cities from the "important" list.

I am sure Port Moresby is very important to the people in PNG, just like Perth is important to the citizens there.

Hm, so that means every city is important.

	11-10-2002 21:09									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus doesn't work that way. it's not a study of the 150 best cities in the world, it's a study of 150 important cities in the world. Port Moresby isn't the 150th best city in the world, it's just the worst city of those that have been studied.

If it ranked cities by importance, I think New York would be just a little higher. Amybe i missnderstood you tho.

	11-10-2002 22:59									#76
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once again: it's a list of 150 important cities (not most important), which are ranked by how good it is to live in them.

hope ya'll understand now

	11-10-2002 23:00									#77
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how good expatriates live in them to be precise.

	11-10-2002 23:01									#78
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No, because you got it wrong.

It is a ranking of 150 cities for which is best for EXPATRIATES.

	11-10-2002 23:01									#79
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which is relly strange that london is first considering the racial riots that go on in the UK and nowhere else in europe...

something dioesnt click here..

	12-10-2002 00:20									#80
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These 'livability' pols are always aimed at family types and middle class shmucks:

If you are an boring and thoughroughly uninteresting person, then go live in Toronto! or Calgary! or whatever other whitebread and mayo sandwich cities scored high on this poll.

Luckly, we here in NY, the World Capitol, don't have to worry about these worthless polls. Unlike Atlanta (way to go Braves! Huh Imran?) we don't need anyone else to validate our city. If the poll was not "which city is most livable but "which city is more powerful?" 'which city is more important?' or which city is more cosmopolitan?', 'which city is a world cultural center?' then NY would be #1 in all of those. Give me Power, culture, importance, and a cosmopolitan atmosphere, and you Bozos can keep the cheap food and slightly cleaner streets. We don't need to be nicest, just best.

	12-10-2002 00:24									#81
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NY must really be a fascinating city.

I have come to know through the writing of one of my favorite writers Soti Triantafyloy and her book "Saturday nights at the edge of the city".

However I think would be a bit afraid because of the violence there is there compared to say Athens as well as taken aback by the number of homeless people (in Athens where 5 million live there are very few, virtually no homeless when compared with other european cities)


But I think that NY is truly cosmopolitan and fascinating and certaintly on amongst the top of my list to visit when i come to the US.

	12-10-2002 02:39									#82
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Looks like GePap is a wittle jealous .



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After living no farther than one hour from NYC (How about those Yankees, Huh GePap ) for 21 years, I can say without hesitation, I infinetly prefer Atlanta and its suburbs. I'll take Coca-Cola and Delta over The Empire State Building and Continental, thank you very much.

	12-10-2002 02:44									#83
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quote: 'which city is a world cultural center?'

wouldn't that be a real cultural city? like say...London, Rome or Paris?

	12-10-2002 02:50									#84
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Speaking of world cultural centers, Coke is based in Atlanta, so does that mean we are one too . After all, everyone knows Coke owns the world.

	12-10-2002 02:51									#85
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oh wait...pop culture is culture too, huh?

	12-10-2002 02:51									#86
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That's a bit of a stretch.

	12-10-2002 02:56									#87
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tell that to GePap and Imran

	12-10-2002 03:00									#88
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First, at least i have had the joy of 4 world series and 5 penants in 6 years, not 1 world series and 4 (or is it 5) penants in 10 years.

St. Markus:
NY has as much culture today as those cities: fine, it lacks the age of them, but in terms of art treasures of old, and the creation of new ones, no city tops NY, at best they equal it.

Like all things great, NYC elicits strong emotions for or agaisn't, emotions that a place like Atlanta never will. Yeah, Coke is a US landmark, but ask any human being (including Americans) about the icons of the US, and NYC most certainly is one of them or at least the monuments of this city. The Statue of Liberty is more reflective of America than any other structure in the whole US, and as a world city, Atlanta, and any other US city, hasd a long way to go to equal the sheer cosmopolitan nature of NYC. Heck, 40% of new Yorkers weren't born in the US, a trully international city. Can any other city, save another grand metrolpolis, like London, equal that amount of diversity?

again, we don't need to be nice, just great.

	12-10-2002 03:39									#89
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quote: St. Markus: NY has as much culture today as those cities: fine, it lacks the age of them, but in terms of art treasures of old, and the creation of new ones, no city tops NY, at best they equal it.

Paris certainly tops NYC. easy. no comparison possible.

quote: Heck, 40% of new Yorkers weren't born in the US...Can any other city, save another grand metrolpolis, like London, equal that amount of diversity?

Yes. In both Amsterdam and Rotterdam, 50% of the population comes from another country.

	12-10-2002 04:05									#90
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An aussie guy made this? I mean come on so many neverheard cities from Australia are in there. I am sure the places mentioned are actually nice places, but It's obvious that those 150 are somewhat randomly selected, expect for the biggest cities of course. Seems like capitals take priority (well not ottawa or canberra for instance but...). Comparison between these 150 cities is probably just like the way that poll tells it, but tons of important (or even more important) cities are left out.

This still proves Australia is very good place to live, but not _that_ much better than rest of the world. Just compare the population of USA and Australia and see how many cities were taken from both countries. Or any other big country, say England 50+million pop and 2 only? Perth and Brisbane... are they even big cities? These could have been replaced by more famous cities from ... um anywhere from the globe.

I'm not saying Finland deserves more spots, we are 5 million and 1 slot it is.