11-10-2002 02:34									#1
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http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europ...ties/index.html



And for the exact quote...

quote: 44. Madrid, Spain 44. London, England 44. San Francisco, California 49. Seattle, Washington 50. (tie) Singapore 50. Manchester, England 52. (tie) Dublin, Ireland 52. New York, New York

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How did they go about ranking these cities?

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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman How did they go about ranking these cities?

read the article. but if your too lazy:

quote: It looked at 12 factors including housing, education, recreational activities and climate, rating every city on a five-point scale in each category, with five indicating extreme hardship.

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and the women are hotter. Spanish women

that is the most important consideration

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Lexington, Kentucky

and my city is not on that list. Of course we are last in every education category. We have the hightest suicide rate, highest smoking rate, hightest teen pregnancy rate, etc.

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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 read the article. but if your too lazy:

I see... thank you.

quote: and the women are hotter. Spanish women that is the most important consideration

New York is filled with super models...

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way to go Australia, they go a lot of cities in there.

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I actually find super models ugly. I wouldnt' touch Naomi Campbell with a 10 foot pole. Don't get me started on twiggy. Even when she was young she was ugly

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Heck, most of the people that work there don't want to live there. (and don't)
It's a crime ridden, cesspool with no allys downtown so they put their garbage out in front of the buildings. Real attractive out in front of an expensive resturant. NewYorkers proudly proclaim they love it only because they're stuck living there. What are they supposed to say? "this place sucks".

I'm surprised it ranked as high as it did.


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19. Amsterdam, Netherlands
28. (tie) Brussels, Belgium

hehe, as always, we're ahead

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these results are very liberal biased. Who gives a **** about education? . Hence all the silly Australian and European leaders. Sure they are great places to live, but are they great places to find good paying jobs and make money?

But seriously no greedy capitalist in his right mind would live in Europe. The money to be made is in towns like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Seattle, and Las Vegas. Towns like Houston and Atlanta might also be good places to make money as well as south Florida.

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look at the top 10 (or 8)

Europe: 7
Australia: 6
Canada: 3

USA: 0
Japan: 0

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Damn, Hull isn`t on the list.

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quote: But seriously no greedy capitalist in his right mind would live in Europe. The money to be made is in towns like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, and Las Vegas.

Monaco beats Las Vegas any day of the week

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I have never been there, but I still can't see them making as much money as the businesses in Las Vegas. We also have the illegal sex industry where I live. And those whores charge very high prices- not that I'd know... I'm too poor.

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Take it from someone who has lived there 18 years of his live,New York is very livable, if you happen to have money coming out of your bunghole. For the rest of us, I'd suggest avoid moving there if possible.

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quote: I have never been there, but I still can't see them making as much money as the businesses in Las Vegas. We also have the illegal sex industry where I live. And those whores charge very high prices- not that I'd know... I'm too poor.

Monaco is the Las Vegas for the insanely wealthy.

Also, if you want a big and lively sex industry, come to Amsterdam. also rated high than New York btw.

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Well cities like London are going to rank very low because of the sheer cost of living there. Hence I am not very keen on the idea of moving to London because I would need to earn a lot of money to live well. Manchester is considerably cheaper and has the employment opportunities as well, but it is the crime that is it's downside (I'm used to the weather, although this side of the country is dryer)

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Let's see: I'm an ex-patriate Vancouverite who moved to New York.


That's right: from #1 to #55.

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Awww, well I currently live in Hull (not ranked). I am looking at moving to Manchester, not London. It is a cost of living thing. I can have a better standard of living in a city that is large enough to effectively have the same facilities. It's all about balancing out what you want...

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You're right. London and New York are tough to live in without a substantial amount of coin in your pocket. Though if you're a museum buff, both cities are pretty hard to beat. I go to MoMA and the Met a lot and would truly miss them if I moved.

And London has the Tate! Manchester has ... Oasis' elementary school? Not quite the same.

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Why the focus on Madrid?

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quote: Originally posted by - Groucho - And London has the Tate! Manchester has ... Oasis' elementary school? Not quite the same.

The Lowry, Museum of Science and Industry, Imperial War Museum North, Urbis...and the Tate Gallery North is only 35 miles away in Liverpool

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whew - I seem to have guessed right on Oasis.

I've never been to Manchester - what is it like?

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Well I couldn't really describe it as I don't live there myself. You'd be best checking a website, which is, erm, use Google or something

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but you want to move there, right?

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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf Why the focus on Madrid?

Yea, the fact that Paris is even higher should be more worrying

Go Amsterdam!

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Bah! Where's Peterborough? Apparently we're a well known city, because of all the hockey players the Pete's offer (guess where Gretzky played his first two semi-professional games).
Not to mention we have one of the best 'Primarily Undergraduate' Universities, Trent U. And we're also the place where a LOT of money and supprt are raised for the Terry Fox Run.

Oh well, at least Canada got a lot of high ranking cities on that list.

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Peterborough is in Cambridgeshire...

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No, not the original Peterborough. Peterborough, Ontario. the home of the Peterborough Pete's.

I guess I should've clarified.....there's also a Ptbo. in New England and Australia.