11-10-2002 20:33									#1
	Rheims - Can we flip it? Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

As there has been a lot of discussion about flipping, I thought I would raise the question about the French city of Rheims, sitting in the middle of the booming province of Ile de Rose.

It seems to be in quite good shape, culturally speaking, but our expansion has just pushed our borders up against Rheims' on the sw corner, along the river.

My suggestion is that we move the settler building in Chartres onto the jungle tile s.sw.sw of Rheims, and see what the proposed borders of a new city would look like. It we could steal some tiles, including a nice river/shield/grassland, Rheims would suddenly look vulnerable.

We may have other plans for Rheims, the settler etc, but I thoiught we could discuss it.

	11-10-2002 20:50									#2
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IMHO the settler should found a city between Washington and Boston. We can culturally press France from where we're standing, and it will flip just like Chartres did.
We can make this process faster by rushing cultural buildings throughout our land to increase our total cultural value and further increase our chances to flip Chartres.

	11-10-2002 20:55									#3
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Yeah I'd say were better off going for the old US cities. We can probably take most of the tiles if we act fast.

	11-10-2002 20:57									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Fergus Horkan My suggestion is that we move the settler building in Chartres onto the jungle tile s.sw.sw of Rheims, and see what the proposed borders of a new city would look like. It we could steal some tiles, including a nice river/shield/grassland, Rheims would suddenly look vulnerable.

That settler was ordered built by GF so Chartres could be disbanded and moved 1 tile southwest to rebuild Chartres as a coastal city. Frankly, I fully agree with those orders and while they may have changed, I certainly think the original orders to move the city are what should be done...

	11-10-2002 21:02									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos That settler was ordered built by GF so Chartres could be disbanded and moved 1 tile southwest to rebuild Chartres as a coastal city. Frankly, I fully agree with those orders and while they may have changed, I certainly think the original orders to move the city are what should be done...

They have not changed and that is what the settler from Chartres will do.

There is already a settler enroute through Gaia for the Washington/Chicago site.

Rheims is already being bombarded by Macross City and further construction of cultural improvements in Opium would put more pressure.

	11-10-2002 21:34									#6
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I agree with GF and others:

Under current city positions:

Rheims will flip under current city positions under a reasonable time period, and so will that Greek city.

Boston should flip to us as well.

Washington has a very low chance of fliping to us before Boston does.

Chicago can't flip to us right now.

The new city between Washington & Chicago though will add a lot of cultural pressure to Washington and Chicago and could result in Washington flipping before Boston. Once this occurs the other flips quickly. Some time later Chicago flips.

	11-10-2002 21:58									#7
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I second that.

	11-10-2002 22:36									#8
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Rhiems will flip to us eventualy.

We control 5 of the 21 tiles in its city radius and the French are in awe of our culture. I would think it will flip to us sometime in the next two or three turnchats.

We control 6 of the 21 tiles of Mycenae (that geek city) city radius, but it will take longer to flip as the geeks are only "impressed" with our culture and it is not surrounded by us.

A city inbetween Chicago and Washington would be Ideal (not to mention, that would give me ANOTHER city to play god for )

	11-10-2002 22:46									#9
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quote: Originally posted by donegeal (not to mention, that would give me ANOTHER city to play god for )

Forgot about that, send that settler to Uber.

	11-10-2002 23:13									#10
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Your pretty funny (looking)!

	11-10-2002 23:55									#11
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I think we should use boom toon for a settler on uber, and would that complete tyhe isleand for us.
Aggie

	12-10-2002 00:33									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Aggie I think we should use boom toon for a settler on uber, and would that complete tyhe isleand for us. Aggie

Okay, I think I understand it has something to do with Boomtown but where is Tyre Island?

	12-10-2002 01:50									#13
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I see any new relevant info I could add to this discussion has been added, thus I will simply post to say I have seen it.

	12-10-2002 02:14									#14
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing I see any new relevant info I could add to this discussion has been added, thus I will simply post to say I have seen it.

Seen what? "boom toon" or "Tyre Island"?

	12-10-2002 03:28									#15
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Seen what? "boom toon" or "Tyre Island"?

Darn typo's, though looking back "boom toon " could be a reference to the Jessica Rabbit leaderhead.
Aggie

	12-10-2002 06:25									#16
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Will cutting the road connection of Rheims to the french capital make flipping easier?

	12-10-2002 13:16									#17
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No, but it will increase the corruption and waste they experience slightly. Good thinking though!

	12-10-2002 22:52									#18
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But cutting the road would decrease there production and make them unable to upgrade units if they get a barracks in rheims.
Aggie

	12-10-2002 23:15									#19
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I didn't think of that. Good point.

Edit: we'll have to cut a lot of roads though. IIRC we are connected to Rheims in 3 spots. This will also force us to divert a group of workers from more important tasks to rebuild these roads later.

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	14-10-2002 00:36									#20
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I didn't say we should do it, in fact, i think we shouldn't as this won't help it flip, we could take Rheims and the units scattered around it fairly quickly, when the time for war comes. I am sure Aggie is drools by the very thought of crushing the surrounded forces around Rheims...

Take no prisoners!!!

	14-10-2002 01:50									#21
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By looking on the map, we would have to cut the roads on tiles 3 and 13 of Marcoss City (and France has a warrior FOTIFIED on our tile!). We would also have to cut the road on tile 20 of Port Rogue.

In order for us to even try this, we are going to have to tell the Frenchies to get off our land.