12-10-2002 00:43									#1
	Equalizing Starting Positions with Random Maps Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

"How?", you say. Well, it only works on one vs. one matches but here is the way...

I start a random map PBEM game and do nothing with the settler and then "End" the turn. I then send you that turn AND open the turn I just sent you and play that one as the second player. Then I send THAT turn to you as well. That is, there are TWO games going at once between us with swapped starting positions. Whoever wins BOTH matches is the victor. Any other result is a draw.

The only drawback is that each player knows the starting location of the other player. That isn't that big of a drawback though. Anyone interested in testing this "equalization" method?

	12-10-2002 01:26									#2
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I applaud your efforts and although I dont play PBEM, I do think this is as fair a solution from which I have heard complaints about"Unfair"starting positions, although most maps even out.

I often apply this to MP where we whom play together on a regular basis give it 10 turns then agree to continue or restart, and for real, you have my vote as a goodwill ambassador for the CTP Community!

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	12-10-2002 02:07									#3
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Thanks Troll! It is a pity you don't play PBEM. It isn't as "slow" as you think.

	12-10-2002 07:22									#4
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Yes, I noted this was a good idea on the "stomach turns thread." Perhaps redbull could use it for superlegue. The first one gets passed N times
so that player N will start with player one. The next one stops at player N-1 etc...

	12-10-2002 07:24									#5
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For some reason some words got deleted from my last post.

What I meant was that you could use the equalizing trick for MP by letting the 1st turn pass through all players except the last. Then in the next time it is passed through all but the next to last etc....

	12-10-2002 09:19									#6
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Thanks checkmate... But I don't quite understand. Do you mean that in a 4 player game you would have 4 separate games going at once with each player playing each of the four starting positions? I think that would work but I have to think about it some more. Can you explain a bit more -- by example maybe? I'm a bit dense.

	12-10-2002 09:36									#7
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quote: Originally posted by quinns Thanks Troll! It is a pity you don't play PBEM. It isn't as "slow" as you think.

Hmm...maaybe..I may consider..Ill give it some thought!
Thanks

Troll

	12-10-2002 14:13									#8
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What would you say about starting a game on a not-so-random map, with each player starting on an identical island ?

	12-10-2002 17:25									#9
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I'll try, we have players A,B,C,D

Game 1 -> A passes -> B passes -> C passes -> D plays -> A plays .....
Game 2 -> A passes -> B passes -> C plays -> D plays -> A plays .....
Game 3 -> A passes -> B plays -> Cplays -> D plays -> A plays ...
Game 4 -> A plays -> B plays -> C plays -> D plays -> A plays .....

So in game 1 D is playing the 1st player position.
A is playing the 2nd player position
B is playing the 3rd play position.
C is playing the 4th player position.

in game 2 C is playing the 1st player position
D is playing the 2nd player position
A is plihing the 3rd player position.
B is playing the 4th player position.

Not it is not 100% symmetrical in the following sense.
When B plays the 4th player postition, he only sees that
position while A is playing the third position. If you wanted to do all combinations I think you have to play 6 *4 games. But that seems to be going to far

	13-10-2002 05:26									#11
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Don't make me mention factorial numbers red

	13-10-2002 06:51									#12
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Right. Let's stick to just two player games -- for now! What do you say?

	14-10-2002 16:59									#13
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Agree, but gee just thiin

2 players 2 games
3 players 6 games
4 players 24 games
5 players 120 games
6 players 720 games
7 players 5040 games
8 players 40320 games

Some say this is too much, others say PBEM heaven

	14-10-2002 18:29									#14
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quote: Originally posted by checkMate Agree, but gee just thiin 2 players 2 games 3 players 6 games 4 players 24 games 5 players 120 games 6 players 720 games 7 players 5040 games 8 players 40320 games Some say this is too much, others say PBEM heaven

Okay! Let's start an 8 player game. Because the games are simultaneous, it won't take too long to complete them all.