14-10-2002 01:17									#61
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5 inches only?

	14-10-2002 01:45									#62
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	14-10-2002 01:46									#63
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quote: Originally posted by mindseye quote: I think anyone can bring themselves to have sex with either gender, given the right circumstances. It's much more like that in China. More than once I have inadvertantly picked up a straight guy on the subway or sidewalk, gone to dinner together, returned back to my apartment, ended up in bed together, only to discover later that the guy really wasn't gay, or even "bisexual" as westerners use the term. Here, sexuality for many guys is more a matter of situation than orientation. In other words, a guy who really digs women may not be at all inhibited, under the right circumstances, in getting it on with a guy, even though he would not normally seek out such a thing. This also explains why until very recently, there was no word in the Chinese language for "gay". For most of Chinese history, male-male love and sex was not frowned upon. For example, if you had a handsome servant, you were not "gay" if you had sex with him. It was a matter of situation and opportunity, not orientation. A side effect of this is that straight guys here are much more physically intimate in public. You see lots of young guys (say, under 30) walking while holding hands, cuddling together on the subway, embracing each other, stroking each other's arms or hair. Even adult men can be seen holding each other, or walking hand in hand. It's really refreshing to see this, it seems so much more human than the artifical machismo-driven western standards of behavior. The situation seems to be much the same for women, although here I lack an insiders perspective. Let me try to get back on topic: I haven't seen much of cat-calling here, by males or females - not even from construction workers!

If this is all true, then it sounds interesting (theory about situation over orientation).

But this theory excludes men and women who are exclusively gay, and would never have sex with someone of the opposite gender, no matter the situation.

	14-10-2002 01:55									#64
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and excludes men and women who were exclusively hetero

if I was just interested in getting off, I would not mind if it was male or female

but since I am interested in making love to someone who I find physically attractive, I am only into females

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov There is this awful site called "The Bait Bus" or something like that wherein these group of people drive around in a van, find straight men on the street and manipulate them into, in front of a camera, having sex with another man. They would lure the marks into the van on the premise of being paid $1000 to have sex with one of the women in the van. Then they would pull the bait-and-switch and stipulate that the guy first has to have sex with the gay guy. What's funny is that all of the men, especially the most "masculine" ones, cave in and, when in the act, are *very* into it and very aggressive about it. The awfulness comes afterwards, though--because they always trick the guy out of the van and speed off without paying. That is the terrible part. One could argue that many of the men "deserve it," if they are willing to engage in sex with a total stranger on camera for money (many of the guys are married, engaged or have girlfriends, too). But it still really bothers me they do this. Seems to me to be inviting these guys to turn into gay-bashers or worse. Long story short: I think anyone can bring themselves to have sex with either gender, given the right circumstances.

I disagree

disregarding force (if you don't have sex with me I will blow this persons brains out) I will never get off with another man

in fact, disregarding the above stipulation, I will not get off with most women

your example of pay is wrong here because of the fact that people in the US are coerced using money all the time (We are all slaves to the almighty dollar), so it is not a good example

while I agree that there are many straight people (of both sexes) who get off with people of the same sex, I think it is because of the current culture of rampant hedonism

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	14-10-2002 02:22									#66
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Boris, no matter what situation you can think of, I would turn down Pamela Anderson, or any other attractive woman their offer for sex.

But that's just me as a gay man. There are bisexuals, of course.

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Is it normal to feel sorry for people who exclude beautiful people as possible sex partners for whatever reason?

Sometimes I think I have it made.

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Boris, no matter what situation you can think of, I would turn down Pamela Anderson, or any other attractive woman their offer for sex. But that's just me as a gay man. There are bisexuals, of course.

You seem to imply that Pamela Anderson is attractive. She is not. (IMO).

	14-10-2002 02:48									#69
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I would not get off with pamela

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quote: Originally posted by orange You know who I'm talking about...the guy who constantly talks about how many girls he's banged, or the girl who points out that every other guy that passes is 'hot', or even the homosexual guy who constantly states things like "I'm such a queer" or "that was so gay of me" etc. Is there a reason for this? Gay or straight...both groups have people that do it. I guess I just don't understand it

errrr.....because they can? I mean, Orange, let's face it, some of us have it and some of us don't.

	14-10-2002 04:55									#71
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Flaunt sexuality? I am trying to coax mine out by being nice to it

	14-10-2002 05:10									#72
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Boris - not really...

Mr Fun sorta...

StarChild...hehe...

	14-10-2002 08:01									#73
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Like the person who sits next to you on the bus telling you he's a high paid, big **** pimp kinda guy and insists I give him my number so we can 'hang' sometime?
Right I laugh at the type. If your soo well of why do you ride the bus. If your so freckin pimpin why am I not interested? And yes I know I wear to much make up yes I know my contacts look good. but plz die or go away asap im not interested. i flaunt myself sometimes. i know guys are paying attention. when i want somthing its very easy to get it at no cost . . just walk up and talk to the ugly kid. ask for him 5 dollars or somthing he is danglin on the line and never says no

	14-10-2002 08:03									#74
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quote: Originally posted by LaurenX2C Like the person who sits next to you on the bus telling you he's a high paid, big **** pimp kinda guy and insists I give him my number so we can 'hang' sometime? Right I laugh at the type. If your soo well of why do you ride the bus.

Many well off people ride the bus, at least here. And in most major cities as well.

	14-10-2002 08:05									#75
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not here. its mainly us who cant afford cars or have had our license torn in half by a cop.

	14-10-2002 08:08									#76
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can i just say somthing about your signature line? its not ok I think its very rude

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quote: Originally posted by LaurenX2C can i just say somthing about your signature line? its not ok I think its very rude

Hey, ya think?

Perhaps that's why I'm making fun of it by quoting it for all to see.

	14-10-2002 09:15									#78
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quote: Originally posted by LaurenX2C not here. its mainly us who cant afford cars or have had our license torn in half by a cop.

Maybe in Wisconsin that's the case, but it normal cities normal people ride the bus...

	14-10-2002 13:53									#79
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quote: Originally posted by mindseye I think Chinese sexuality is closer to what Boris was referring to, i.e. more "natural".

I suppose you get a huge variation of sexuality in China. What do you expect of the most populated country?

In my neck of the woods we are a lot more clear cut.

	15-10-2002 05:39									#80
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It's funny, I never feel comfortable chatting about anything sexual that I've done. It just seems private. If other people talk about it I don't really mind - I figure they are just being honest. If they were desperate to brag about their conquests, I would just find that ugly.

Similarly, I find strippers totally awkward and have no idea how I am supposed to respond to them.

As for in-your-face gays, it's hardly offensive when you consider how ostracised they are. I guess it could get tiresome, but that depends upon how witty they are about the whole thing.

	15-10-2002 06:01									#81
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I don't mind talking about what chicks I have banged, but I never go into details.

Leykis had an interesting antedocte a few weeks ago about how women have no qualms talking about the size of their mans penis with their girlfriends, but guys won't talk about strange physical features of women.

Sure we brag about doing them, but we don't go about discussing their private parts with our friends for the most part. There are exceptions of course.

I never go into details about what a woman does in bed. Some girlfriends I've had have no problem giving oral sex, but they don't want you to talk about about it any place where they/we might be heard. So I never talk about specific sex acts.