18-09-1999 08:04									#1
	Problems with adding new civs.... Support Apolyton

Problem #1: The screen where you choose the civ that you wish to play seems to have room for only 44 civs. Unfortunately, I have 53 -- where is the file for the picture of the list of civ buttons, and can I alter the size, or make a new one? I'd really like to get all of the civs on the screen, plus any that I might add in the future....

Problem #2: The 49th through the 53rd civs that I added come up on the above-mentioned screen, but are not allowed choices. I can hit the button, but when I click "OK", the last allowed civ is still on the main screen. Have I done something wrong? I've checked over my code, and see no problems. Do I have to change something somewhere besides the civ_str and civilization files? I've already marked in the civilization.txt file that there are 53 civs. Please help!

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	24-09-1999 00:40									#2
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John,
I sympathize with you as I have been watching for replys here myself because I am trying to accomplish the same thing. I have not had much luck except that I changed a civ to one that I needed for a scenario and I could see in in the cheat mode. This is what I needed as I will then edit my map for the scenario with the new civ.
Sorry I could not be of more help. Are you editing a scenario file or the main civ file?

	23-12-1999 00:57									#3
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Has anyone figured this out? I created several new Civs for my Scandinavian scenario, which bumped the total above 44 (not counting Barbarians) Civs. I ended up deleting other Civs that I thought I would not need so I could see all of them on the selection screen. Then I had the great idea to put civilisation.txt and civ_str.txt in my scenario’s gamedata folder – both together under “default” and under both “default” and “english” in vain attempts to mimic the standard file structure. Needless to say, I was unsuccessful. It seems to me that I should be able to customize the Civs for my scenario in my scenario folder. Has anyone done this?

	23-12-1999 10:02									#4
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Wow! You've been hitting the archives, ETB! I forgot I even started this thread....

The only solution that I have seen (I eventually picked 44 civs that I liked best, and put them up) is on the Ancient Civs Mod, which has about 50 civs on it. His solution (and I'm sorry I can't remember the name!) was to make the 45th and above civs with "zz" preceeding each name. In this way, they don't show on the chart for your choices, but of course you'll end up with civs like "zzInuits" and the like.

Sorry, it's the best I could do.

	23-12-1999 19:41									#5
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John,

I found the search engine yesterday. You had the exact same question that I had, but no one appears to have an answer. I have so many questions about CTP, but I have been finding many answers in the archives. For a beginner like me, this site is awesome!

My solution was to make new civilisation.txt and civ_str.txt files. I have to switch to my new files when I play my Scandinavian scenario and back to the original if I want to play a “normal” game. It can easily confuse me trying to do this. Your idea sounds a little better than what I’ve been doing. Thanks!

	25-12-1999 13:40									#6
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John, ETB...hey!

Uh, I think his name is Charles Perez--the guy who did the ancient civs, right? I think that's him....


Yeah, the 45 are shown in game thru the cheat mode are the ones you can use--the ZZ before a civ in civilisation.txt does nothing; you have to put the ZZ in the quotes in civ_str.txt.
ETB: I have some files for you, prob'ly send them out shortly.

John, if you have had bad luck with that other map, I have another version which Don fixed up (it sovles many problems, but thru the process my trade goods get whacked, so you get elephants in North America, gators in deep Russian, et cetera... )

	25-12-1999 14:16									#7
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Nordicus,

When you can, send me your latest files. The code actually makes allowances for 4 goods per tile. As long as the game understands what you have done, the map should understand. If you can place the good via the cheat menu, I don't understand why it wouldn't pick it up. I will look at it again.

Don

UPDATE: 12/25, 04:38 AP Time
I checked this out and it DOES save your goods. (Sugar on a beach is your good right?) Sorry about that, I must not of had the right file in the right place. When you get me the latest I will do it again.

Oh, and how many Civs do you want? I thought about a 16 Civ version and a 32 Civ version.

BTW, the following info does NOT get saved:
Presence of a City
Presence of a Radar or Listening Post
Whether a tile is within a city radius

[This message has been edited by skorpion59 (edited December 25, 1999).]

	27-12-1999 08:53									#8
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Hey, Don...sent out the files...
4 trade goods!!? How do you know this?
If it's true, that's very good to hear...but something might have to be added in terms of cheat menu space for the 3rd & 4th choices, hey? Because I notice that if you change (for exmpl. jungle terrain 2nd trade good from cocoa (simulating spice or such) to grapes (simulating tropical fruit) and go back into your map to make changes, when you alter a tile near a changed trade good, that good will automatically change into the new form, according to the new file changes.
Interesting trivia...

Oh, yeah--sugar...well, salt, really
Hey, I was desperate...

But this is really good news--now I don't have to pick and choose among the trade goods I made; I can use all of them, making the game much more interesting/realistic.

I'm going to start a (yet another) thread about this in hopes that someone will be willing to help.
Thanks--any further details about what you've found out would be superb.
(Yeah, sounds sensible--one with 16 civs, one with 32. Good idea.
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