24-10-2002 06:28									#31
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we could start a pool

	24-10-2002 08:48									#32
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Amazon.com, Gamestop.com, and EB.com (electronic boutique) all have Oct. 29th listed as the day.

	24-10-2002 09:32									#33
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Well I'm glad it didn't come out this week. I would never have gotten these stupid lab reports done if it did...

The 29th would be fine, though.

	24-10-2002 10:46									#34
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Warpstorm, I'm not sure where to look for the version number.

I don't see it anywhere.

	24-10-2002 11:15									#35
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It's on the splash screen. Start the game. The first screen after the video (the one with the various options for starting or loading games). Look in the lower left corner.

There should be a x.xxy. Like 1.29f. What does it say?

	24-10-2002 11:24									#36
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I know. I thought it would be in the same place, but there is no number. Probably because it's not finished yet.

	24-10-2002 11:27									#37
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Or the splash screen has been edited...

	24-10-2002 11:41									#38
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Why would anyone edit the splash screen. The makers just probly haven't numbered it yet.

why? Do you have it? If you do, what's your version?

	24-10-2002 12:06									#39
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I have been watching the numbers go up for a while now. I cannot say what version I am currently on. It is not my game. It is not for me to say.

	24-10-2002 14:37									#40
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I tried the leaked beta, and am incredibly worried about final version of the game.

The beta has an incredible amount of bugs in it. Crashes all the time (likes to crash in diplomatic relations)..

Hotseat is unstable, Turn-Based crashes after several turn, simultanous freezes after the first turn and well... turnless is the only stable one but is incredibly hard to keep up with... also multiplayer diplomatic relations crash too..

I was incredibly eager to try out this beta, but now I'm worried about buying the final version cause it might also be this buggy... Let's just hope to god that this doesn't turn into another piece of software for which we need to wait for months for patches that will fix the problems...

Also didn't notice a version number

	24-10-2002 14:45									#41
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This is why Beta is normally done privately

I am sure the final product will have few bugs in it and be much more stable.

	24-10-2002 15:28									#42
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Like Sim City 4, thats got over 1000 bugs, and they are aiming to fix them all by January.

	24-10-2002 21:27									#43
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Beta also has new commands for unit. One's the Sentry Command like in Civ 2 and Civ 1 (which was missing from 3). The other is this amazingly handy command called Explore. It automates the movement of the unit to run around and explore any black areas of the map (usually along the borders first).

From what I understand its getting close to the release date of PTW Final. Considering that the beta was just leaked it may be that its a recent beta and thus this may be the current stage of the game. It looks complete to me minus all the crashes and bugs. I sure hope they get them worked out before cause I already can't stand to play it.

Either way though, I'll get the PTW expansion cause 'eventually' they'll release enough patches to make the game playable

	24-10-2002 21:54									#44
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Gee, I find it amazing how people get a "leaked beta" of a product that has not even gone gold yet and they start complaining about the bugs. Yeah, right.

	24-10-2002 22:11									#45
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And it might not even be a beta, it might even be an alpha copy.

	24-10-2002 22:21									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Alexnm Gee, I find it amazing how people get a "leaked beta" of a product that has not even gone gold yet and they start complaining about the bugs. Yeah, right.

I guess you werent around these past two years when games took on a pattern of being released with bugs included...

And if you could see how complete this version is you'll realize that its not an alpha and a very complete beta...

	24-10-2002 23:46									#47
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On what grounds do you think it's a "very complete beta"? All the talk of place holder art and diplomatic crashes and so forth make it sound like a relatively early alpha, but perhaps that's just me.

	24-10-2002 23:48									#48
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i didnt see any placeholder art... just crashes

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In fact, I recall how software development works, a beta is supposed to have all the features intact, so if this version has place holder art and so forth, it sounds like a blatant alpha to me.

	24-10-2002 23:50									#50
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Really? Uber and few others reported place-holder art in some places.

	25-10-2002 01:20									#51
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Alright. What is place holder-art?

and if you had this version you would realize it is way to complete to be alpha. It didn't crash on me like the other guy.

	25-10-2002 01:33									#52
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What is the date of the .exe file?

	25-10-2002 02:55									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Alexnm Gee, I find it amazing how people get a "leaked beta" of a product that has not even gone gold yet and they start complaining about the bugs. Yeah, right.

If any info can be obtained from all this "bugged beta affair" it is: the beta is full of bug! Don't pirate it!

Alexnm, good point!

BTW about others post: an alpha is a very early game version, with many features disabled at all.
That seems to me (but I haven't seen it with my eyes) a mid-stage beta, with almost every features presents but some not working.

And graphic placeholder detail is almost a non-sense IMHO: PTW is an expansion, so most of graphic is the same of Civ III and already available from alpha stage up to now.

	25-10-2002 11:03									#54
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Really? What about the 8 new civs, their leaders, and their UUs? What about new Wonders and buildings?

	25-10-2002 11:07									#55
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the 8 new civs and their faces were in there. profiles were in there. UUs were in there (dunno about leaders) ... come to think of it, i didn't notice any new wonders or buildings.. but then again, it kept crashin so i dunno..

well as long as its confirmed that the final version will be a major overhaul from this version then i'm relieved...

quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Really? What about the 8 new civs, their leaders, and their UUs? What about new Wonders and buildings?

	25-10-2002 11:08									#56
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What date on the exe?

	25-10-2002 11:13									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Serotonin the 8 new civs and their faces were in there.

Everybody would love you if you posted pics of the new leaders in industrial and modern outfits.

	25-10-2002 11:25									#58
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Date of EXE: Monday, July 08, 2002, 11:03:00 AM

I guess thats a while back so the final version should be functioning *relief*

I can show you guys the pics in their ancient era... I haven't gotten to modern yet cause i got tired of it crashing... i'll go collect some screens for the heck of it..

quote: Originally posted by ixnay37 Everybody would love you if you posted pics of the new leaders in industrial and modern outfits.

	25-10-2002 11:28									#59
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You could possible throw together something in 5 minutes in the editor... we've all seen the ancient era pictures.

	25-10-2002 11:29									#60
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Would you believe I never used the editor before

quote: Originally posted by Trip You could possible throw together something in 5 minutes in the editor... we've all seen the ancient era pictures.