20-10-2002 22:52									#1
	My elite artillery Enter the AD-FREE zone

I personally like playing games with heavily modded rules, which i mod myself. One of the mods I have incorporated is giving artillery lethal bombardment, but still kept them as pieces of artillery (so my enemies can capture them).

Well, you may be able to imgaine my surpirse, when one of my arty kiled a weak enemy, and I get a message saying that my artillery had become elite: heck, i didn't even know that units without HP could be elite, veteran, or so forth. My surprise was only increased when one of y elite artillery gave me GL, and i got to name it....

Has anyone else who has done this (give lethal bombardment) have the same happen? and if so, since we know ships, every so foten give GL's also, can aircraft, if we allow lethal bombardment (if only naval) als give us GL's?

	20-10-2002 23:02									#2
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someone should try getting a great leader with lethal naval units.

just use the editor to make 100 veteran battleships vs 100 conscript galleys or something

edit:

i wonder what would happen to the leader...

he'd probably be on the ocean tile until a transport picked him up.

or you know, a game crash

	20-10-2002 23:31									#3
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I don't see why this would even happen. You don't GL when your elite navy units win battles, so why would they when lethal bombardement is on??

	20-10-2002 23:41									#4
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quote: Originally posted by GePap I personally like playing games with heavily modded rules, which i mod myself. One of the mods I have incorporated is giving artillery lethal bombardment, but still kept them as pieces of artillery (so my enemies can capture them). Well, you may be able to imgaine my surpirse, when one of my arty kiled a weak enemy, and I get a message saying that my artillery had become elite: heck, i didn't even know that units without HP could be elite, veteran, or so forth. My surprise was only increased when one of y elite artillery gave me GL, and i got to name it....

I've seen vet arts, but never a GL produced by an elite one. Wow, interesting.

Have you noticed any increase in capabilites (better hit % in vet and elites)? I haven't, but I don't use that often.

	21-10-2002 00:47									#5
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I did not look it up but I had bombers go elite, are they the same in terms of defensive value as arty (0)? can remember if this was a modified game I got from someone or not.

	21-10-2002 01:17									#6
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 I did not look it up but I had bombers go elite, are they the same in terms of defensive value as arty (0)? can remember if this was a modified game I got from someone or not.

Bombers have hit points. They probably got promoted by shooting down an interceptor, which is extraordinary for a bomber.

	21-10-2002 01:30									#7
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Actually UberKrux, long ago some one posted that they got a GL out of a naval battle- they were American, so they got Jonh Paul jones. The guy actually moved in water. maybe this was just a fluke., but I remember someone saying it did.

	21-10-2002 01:56									#8
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Whoops I should have said attack of 0. Art and Bombers have ADM attack of zero. Bombers do on rare occasions shoot down fighters and can be promoted. Arty had defensive value of 0, bombers is 2 (I think) so they are different in that respect. Not sure why att of zero shots down planes, but they do.

	21-10-2002 10:51									#9
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 Arty had defensive value of 0, bombers is 2 (I think) so they are different in that respect. Not sure why att of zero shots down planes, but they do.

'cause it is the non-zero DEFENSE rating that shoots the fighters down... the bomber is always the defender.

	21-10-2002 11:06									#10
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I also have heard the story about a naval GL but never seen it happen myself. Ever since patch 1.29 I have noticed Regular artillery being upgraded to Veteran, but nothing like what has happened to GePap...