23-10-2002 12:38									#1
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here is something new games for u that interessted me a lots and i thougth to share it with u

http://www.tothegame.com/screenshot.asp?id=232

its simply fantastic

	23-10-2002 12:58									#2
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GalCiv, if it ever gets done.

	23-10-2002 16:30									#3
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Looks better than MoO 3 though, I am afraid

	23-10-2002 18:11									#4
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I don't know about that Ranger, the screenies of MoO3 lately have been looking quite tasty.

Note that I'm not saying that GalCiv will be bad.

	23-10-2002 21:03									#5
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I have very high hopes for GalCiv. The OS/2 version is the reason I still have an OS/2 partition around, after all.

	23-10-2002 21:21									#6
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From what I've seen, GalCiv is more "gamish" than MOO which enters more factors to approximate what a galactic empire should be, and tries to be the closer it can to a galactic simulation for players (thus the feeling of ruling, immersion, etc. but also a steeper learning curve). It's a little like comparing Civ3 to Age of Empires (but this case is more extreme). But I'd guess GalCiv, if it comes out (why not?) should bring new elements and pretty cool little game.

Personnally, I stil think I'll prefer MOO3. A little learning doesn't make me afraid when the reward is so great (strategy, etc.). Like StarCraft: complex to master, but after, so much possibilities and fun. And I always prefer immersion and coherence/realism.

	23-10-2002 21:24									#7
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yea, for a while i was getting galciv and moo3 mixed up (i thought there was one game), but since i saw MOO's Senate and Galciv's "United Planets", i sorted that out.

i honestly dont know which one is (or, will be) "better" , as i've never played any of the precursors of either game.

	23-10-2002 21:39									#8
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No one can know which will be better at this time. GalCiv has been under way for a very long time and has no publisher behind it, that makes it a bit shakey. Have you heard of Stars: SuperNova? Been in limbo for a very long time, I saw it at E3 about 5 years ago (the same one that had MM7 finished).

	23-10-2002 23:16									#9
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I'm sure Stardock will publish GalCiv online, even if they don't pump boxes into stores right away.

	24-10-2002 16:29									#10
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GalCiv got publisher. Strategy First.

	24-10-2002 21:54									#11
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Cool, I see the logo now. Hope SSG gets one.

	25-10-2002 04:15									#12
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Come to think of it, Poly could do a lot worse than to have a Brad Wardell interview. Markos, d'ya hear?

	25-10-2002 08:39									#13
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Pic #9: "The evil Drengin Empire have invaded Yggdradill! …Attacking troops 1.421 Bil …Defending troops 2.717 Bil" Ahhh, shades of the old VGA Planets roots of so many space 4X games.

C'mon, the ships required to transport 1.4 billion soldiers could bombard the planet with scrap to take it over. All these games make transporting whole planetary populations ridiculously easy.

	25-10-2002 10:42									#14
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So? What's so wrong about transporting billions of soldiers, if they've got the entire planetary military defending, and don't want to nuke it from orbit, what other option do they have?

	25-10-2002 12:28									#15
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With SF tech to draw on? Infinite.

	25-10-2002 17:34									#16
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This looks like a MOO3 clone with the Fallout 2 interface. Which could be good. From what I read, it looks like you can only be humans. If I got the game, I'd want to be that lizard-ape (Drengen?) in the last picture.

	25-10-2002 18:32									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Atragon So? What's so wrong about transporting billions of soldiers, if they've got the entire planetary military defending, and don't want to nuke it from orbit, what other option do they have?

Hmmm...
did you see that sci-fi classic, "Invasion of the body snatchers"?

	26-10-2002 14:12									#18
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I've read about GalCiv and seen most every screenshot. I have to say Moo3 will be better, even though Strategy First does normally get behind good games.

	26-10-2002 16:33									#19
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I feel tempted to take a bet. Still, let's not, lest Greek authorities clamp down on Markos for internet gambling...

	26-10-2002 18:17									#20
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I'm hoping they will both be extremely good. That way we get to play 2 great games

	26-10-2002 22:34									#21
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Me too, I can not have too many good space 4x games.

	28-10-2002 17:55									#22
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Same for me

I am happy that they have enough different aspects to make them complementary. At the same time, they both have a lot of depth (Diplomacy, events, espionage).

this is cool.

All i need now, is 3 similar games with Star Trek (botf is still fun, but the ai isn't good enough), Star Wars (Rebellion looks awfull) and Babylon 5.
This would be heaven and i would never buy any other game...

	28-10-2002 22:02									#23
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Rebellion made me cry. I was not able to even get out of the tutorial phase. It was a very complex interface, the very thing that Moo3 was addressing by shrinking the number of screens needed to manage the game. I so wanted to like Rebellion and several of my friends tried it and gave it back. These were all gamers and all of us worked in the computers business as techers.

	28-10-2002 23:31									#24
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I actually played rebellion quite a lot for a while. There was an absolutely brillant game somewhere in there, struggling unsuccessfully to get out from under what must be the most tragic gaming interface ever.

Any game that let's me boss Darth Vader around can't be all bad, though

	28-10-2002 23:33									#25
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Ah Rebellion. Nothing more fun then capturing Coursacant and the Emperor or destroying the Rebel HQ and capturing Mon Motha, only to have to search the whole ####ing galaxy for Vader or Luke. Half the game was spent sending scout units and Chewbacca always got fragged on espionage missions.

	29-10-2002 00:02									#26
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"You have not adequately supported me on my mission, and it has failed" - Emperor Palpatine

All too appropriate for the developers, I fear.

	29-10-2002 20:10									#27
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Grumbold how did you remember that?

	29-10-2002 21:08									#28
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Dusted it off not long ago in a fit of nostalgia. Then I rediscovered just how awful it was and uninstalled it again double quick.

	30-10-2002 00:36									#29
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That line triggered me to think of (IIRC) Star Control for the Sega Genesis.

"Launch Fighters"
"Launch Fighters"
"Launch Fighters"
"Launch Fighters"

	30-10-2002 10:18									#30
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I was just thinking about how cool a Star Control II mod for MOO3 would be. Unfortunately, I think they made it hard to mod, with odd art formats and such...

That would be pretty sweet, though, playing with all the SC2 races, and using their music for the diplomacy screens And I bet the SC people over at classicgaming.com would be willing to put in the work...