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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:23
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Latest news,
The embassies of Great Britain and Germany admited that there are citizens of Great Britain and Germany among hostages. Total number is unknown.
Also, embassy of Austria admited that one Austrian women is among hostages.
No info about Americans among hostages. Tass I hope it will helps you somehow.
The patients of nearby hospital and people who live in nearby houses were evacuated. There are BMP on the streets. Still nothing known about negotiations, terrorists shot down all mobile phones of hostages.
Just saw interview with representative of Chechens who live in Moscow. He said that people who did this, made all Chechens who live in Moscow to feel guilty. And that about 1000 Chechens already said that they are ready to become hostages in exchange for realise of childrens.
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:23
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Originally posted by Serb
What would you expected from me? |
Oh, to behave by the rules of the forum and disagree more respectfully without resulting to childish name calling?
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That I will engage in disscusion about propagandistic crap of terrorists you like to buy. You prefer to beleive to terrorists then to official representatives of government. Fine I'll guess you'll never learn. |
 I never said I bought or believed what he said, but nice try to paint it that way...
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Just try to understand my outrage when while hundreds of my fellow countryman including many children are took hostages, I hear that one moron is saying -"it's your own fault, you bloody Russian murders" It's the same if I appeared here on Apolyton at Sept 11 and start to shout- "that it's your own fault you dirty American butchers." |
I don't think Sonic was saying the people deserved to be hostages--he didn't even say the Chenenyans where justified. He simply said that, given his perspective on events in Chenenya, it was not a surprise.
By the same token, when one reflects on Sept. 11th, the actions of the terrorists where indeed not surprising. That doesn't legitimize or excuse their actions. But I won't blind myself to anger over American actions abroad, either, which must be acknowledged.
There's a real high horse you need to get off of, son.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:23
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Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Btw, how would you think Sayeret Matkal / Duvdevan/ Gideonim / Yamam would handle this? |
Duvdevan and the Gideonim aren't really qualified for that job. They have some training for these operations, but nothing close to what the Sayeret or the Yamam get.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:23
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Originally posted by Felch X
I actually agree with Serb on a lot of what he says for once. But with this, I wonder. Is he being sarcastic? |
No. I was not.
Terrrorism is modern threat to all world. If American president is saying that he and American people are praying for hostages held in Russia, there is nothing I could do except to thank him and Americans for their support and understanding.
Thank you again.
Latest news,
Embassador of Australia is come to HQ of secret services near theater. TV news says it proves that Australian citizens are among the hostages.
Also they says that embassy of Netherlands admited that Netherland's citizen is among hostages. TV says that aproximately 20 foreign citizens could still be in theater.
Several minutes ago one of the news chanels (almost all TV chanels show the situation on-line) said that they heard sound of explosion inside of the theater. They suggest it was grenade. They suggest that more probably it was acident, not the beggining of speznaz operation. Still terrorists don't call to officials to begin negotiations. No calls from hostages too, more probably their phones were took from them by terrorists.
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:23
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Oh, to behave by the rules of the forum and disagree more respectfully without resulting to childish name calling?
I never said I bought or believed what he said, but nice try to paint it that way...
I don't think Sonic was saying the people deserved to be hostages--he didn't even say the Chenenyans where justified. He simply said that, given his perspective on events in Chenenya, it was not a surprise.
By the same token, when one reflects on Sept. 11th, the actions of the terrorists where indeed not surprising. That doesn't legitimize or excuse their actions. But I won't blind myself to anger over American actions abroad, either, which must be acknowledged.
There's a real high horse you need to get off of, son. |
After September 11, we gave American posters a lot of slack to "express"  how they felt about the situation, especially in response to any idiocy, trolling, etc. Considering the magnitude of the situation in Moscow, I figure Serb and any other Russian posters deserves the same degree of slack.
We can discuss dismounting from horses another time. 
Keep us posted, Serb, when you have time.
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Sonic
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Vilnius, Lithuania
Dec 2001
time: 07:23
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Yes, Boris Godunov is right, I DID'NT justified terrorist by any means, I just said it isn't big surprise that they taken these hostages. I didn't said that it is right. Yet another troll from Serb it seems.
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Sonic
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Vilnius, Lithuania
Dec 2001
time: 07:23
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MichelTheGreat, probably you would be right if that would be first such Serb's attack. However he keeps insulting me, he claims I am neo-nazi, also uses a lot of **** words in many posts.
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Al'Kimiya
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If only somehow this will change Russia's opinion about war in Iraq...
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:23
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Sonic:... mummy....this bad guy is hurt me.
*throw up*
Keep to post the same crap as you posted in different topic and I will never change my attitude toward you, even if I'll be banned forever.
And next time when you want to sell somebody PM to moderator, not post your whine in topcs.
back to news,
Terrorists refused to release foreign citizens. Last time news said about 67 forign citizens inside of the theater, Yougoslavia and Hungary added to list, also news said that one American citizen could be there and that few FBI officers were sighted near theater. Also Australia wasn't mentioned in this list, which is strange, because in previous reports they show a car with small Australian flag near theater and voice was saying that its a car of Australian embassador. So they refused to release them and made new demands. They demand representatives of "Red cross" and members of "Doctors without borders". Also they demanded meeting with two members of Russian parlament (actually leaders of two parties) Grigory Yavlinsky and Irina Hackamada. Also they wanted meeting with one Russian reporter (don't remember her name).
Two TV journalist's groups was allowed to go inside the theater they already there and suppose to return soon.
It's admited again that there are many children among the hostages, entire two classes of school pupils were in theater when it was took by terrorists.
I don't heard nothing new. I was outside for lunch and noticed additional police units, consider how far away I live from Moscow I could only imagine what's goin on in capital.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:23
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Thank you. I also want to thank people of all countries of the World who showed their solidarity to Russian people. Thank you friends.
Last news,
They released 3 children, one women and citizen of Great Britain. He is 50-60 years old and has bad health.
Overall 711 tickets were sold to musical and there were over 100 artists and theater personal. As I said earlier terrorists released all Chechens, Georgians, Abkhazians and foreigners from Arabic countries. Also many actors managed to escape. Overall 180 escaped. 41 people were released by terrorists. Still about 500 hostages held inside.
Terrorists threaten that they will kill 10 hostages every hour if their demands wouldn’t be fulfilled. Grigory Yavlinsky they demanded to meet is in different city but already on plane to Moscow. Now they demand meeting with different party leader- Boris Nemzov. Also they demanded meeting with reporter Anna Politovskaya, but she is in USA now. They said that they are ready to exchange 10 hostages for every member of Russian parliament.
Russian parliament after emergency session made declaration when they said that main goal is to save people lives. Russian president made declaration too, when he said that this act was part of worldwide terrorism and that people who did this received instructions from foreign countries and they close connected to worldwide terroristic network. TV says that released hostages say that terrorists call themselves “Shahids”.
Last edited by Serb on 24-10-2002 at 16:10
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24-10-2002 09:33
I completly agree with you. You can't justify a terrorist action when its against innocent civilians...You just can't.
If I remember rightly some of the stuff that was posted around then made Serb's little outburst positively saintly! MtG is right to give Serb the slack here that was given back in 9/11 - it is a situation with a potentially similar gravity...
smiley there, Marky Mark.
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