25-10-2002 03:56									#1
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You know them new gurilla units, anybody think you should be able to sneak them in using nuclear subs? And normal subs too!

Infact anybody got any other good ideas about inserting this unit into enemy terrortory!?

	25-10-2002 03:58									#2
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you could give them the inivisible flag

	25-10-2002 03:59									#3
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i DEFFINITLY think they should be able to be inserted by Submarine, it would be nice if instead of generic submarine and nuclear submarine, Firaxis had used Fast Attack and Boomer.

	25-10-2002 04:01									#4
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that also brings me to another idea, helping spys, like a Gurilla squad securing the spy at a checkpoint or somthing!

I don't really think this idea is very good, but maby with some revision we can come up with an idea!

Seems better than "our spy has been caught and killed, Mao is not happy"
"Why the **** was he caught, couldn't we of done somthing for him?"

	25-10-2002 17:59									#5
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Anybody seen that film 'navy seals', its a load of bull, the story line and all, but i like the bit when they are inserted by the sub!

	26-10-2002 00:50									#6
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Never seen that movie how old is it? it sounds kind of familiar like it came out in the 80's or am I thinking of a totally different movie?

	26-10-2002 02:15									#7
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I don't like the idea of units on subs. We are not talking about one guerrilla here (i.e. rambo), we are talking about many units acting together. Submarines have never been used as unit platform for the simple reason there is not enough room to hold adequate units for a assault. Name me one battle which involved launching ground units from a submarine.

	26-10-2002 03:35									#8
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the movie has charlie shean in it!
and you could easily launch a 5 man squad from a sub.

In that film they had some thing mounted onto the hull of the sub that they used for somthing, i cant remember what.

	26-10-2002 04:52									#9
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I would like to see the guerrilla unit replace barbarians in the late game such as we had in Civ2. You could therefore have guerrilla uprisings in Democracies and Communist socities if enough people were unhappy in your cities (or if your overall approval rating is too low--not sure how linked those two actually are).

And of course, I would like to see the return of some kind of partisan system (again, as in Civ2). Perhaps guerrillas could be used in this manner. Take an enemy city and X number of guerrillas spawn depending on the city size and difference in government and/or culture between the conqueror and the conquered.

	26-10-2002 06:08									#10
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i made marines hidden nationalities and invisible, so they could go in deep, but i added a unit, counter-intelligence operative, who could see invisible

	26-10-2002 14:25									#11
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by the way, hidden nationalities negates invisible, people tryed it with subs and just found them useless cuz the subs could no longer hide!

	26-10-2002 18:31									#12
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quote: In that film they had some thing mounted onto the hull of the sub that they used for somthing, i cant remember what.

Now keep in mind I'm no navy seal expert (but I am related to one ) I think your that's some kind of depressurization chamber and if I remember correctly the process is called "locking out." However this is only for a small squad (maybe 8 people, 12 at most), my guess is a guerrela squad is probably supposed to be larger then that (25, 50, or 100) but maybe this is something that you could make a UU for. I added the Seals as an american unit once (marine only with a few extra things), I'm not sure if theres any way in the editor to restrict all units except for 1 from getting on a transport, anyone know for sure?

	26-10-2002 19:56									#13
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Using the "foot unit/foot units only" attributes would be the easiest way to go.

	26-10-2002 19:58									#14
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but then you would be able to put infantry and marines onto the subs!

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So remove the attribute from them, the only unit presently using the foot units only attribute is the helicopter and having sepc-ops inserted by chopper is a bit closer to reality than inserting an infantry or marine brigade by one.

	26-10-2002 20:20									#16
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I personally almost never use helicopters anyway (unless I'm kicking *** and feel like role playing that it's some secret insertion bhind enemy lines).

	27-10-2002 05:55									#17
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I never EVER have found a good reason to use helicopters in civ3. The reason is that the AI (on emperor level) doesn't know how to baricade cut off poitns properly. But I predict that in PtW humkans will have entire continents cut in twain by bunker lines, and helicopters will become useful to get over this.

In PtW helicopters (like fighters) will actually be worth something.

	27-10-2002 06:00									#18
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yes, i have big plans for lines of bunkers filled with infantry and big sign saying stuff like "MINES", "AS IN, IS MINES!", "THE STATUE OF LIBERTY IS KAPUT", "CORNAL KLINK HAS BEEN HERE", "JESUS CHRIST", "...WAS KILLED HERE", and the most offensive yet, "YO MOMMA!"

	27-10-2002 23:10									#19
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i already prepare against humans, even if its just the computer

"Bunker Fields", every square with 3 sqyares of my border has an infantry in a bunker

	28-10-2002 08:12									#20
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To me, guerrilla units would represent something similar to Viet Cong units in Vietnam, not commando squads. Commando/Special Forces units are not appropriate in a strategic game such as Civ (IMO).

	28-10-2002 20:39									#21
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what would you call paratroopers then? I mean these aren't just infentry with parachoots, they have their own ratings and everything.

	28-10-2002 21:16									#22
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yes they, i'm sure they had the same ratings. I did however change mine.