25-10-2002 09:33									#1
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ok, there are what? 7 slots left after ptw for civs, since one is taken up by barbarians? vote for the 7 you like. hope i got all the biggies.

	25-10-2002 12:32									#2
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I'm an Australian and I didn't vote for Australia.

What the the UU be? Probably ANZAC, though Steve Irwin (croc hunter) would make a much better UU. Explorer replacement, +100 HP bonus. That guy just won't die!

	25-10-2002 13:15									#3
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The assyrians are already included in civ3.
From civ3.com:

quote: Because of the historical significance and legendary status achieved by the city of Babylon, the term "Babylonian" is often used as a blanket term to refer to all of the cultures and tribes of the southern Mesopotamian region, including the Sumerians, Akkadians, Amorites, Hittites, Kassites, Assyrians, Arameans, and Chaldeans.

	25-10-2002 13:24									#4
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I voted for Austria-Hungary, even though I consider Austria part of the german civlilization, while the Hungarians alone weren't important enough, I'm afraid.

	25-10-2002 13:28									#5
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Hey, you left out the Byzantines! They are a shoe-in for the next XP. I would say Dutch, Inca, and Hebrews are also shoe-ins as well.
I would suspect that Firaxis includes another African civ such as Songhai or Mali and then perhaps the Poles, Portugese, and Khmer. It's difficult to say who will be in past the shoe-ins, given such a large number of civs to choose from.

	25-10-2002 13:30									#6
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	25-10-2002 13:32									#7
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There is no way Austria-Hungary was part of the German empire.

They were pretty big and probably them and Portugal are top 2 left.

	25-10-2002 13:34									#8
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To elaborate on my picks just a bit.

Civ: Byzantines (Mediterranean)
Commercial/Industrious
Constantinople
Leader: Justinian
UU Cataphract (replaces medevial infantry)

Civ: Hebrews (Middle-East)
Commercial/Religious
Jerusalem
Leader: Moses
UU: Slingman (replaces archer)

Civ: Inca (American)
Industrious/Religous
Cuzco
Leader: Athualpa
UU: Sun Warrior (replaces warrior)

Civ: Songhai (Middle-East)
Commercial/Militaristic
Songhai
Leader: Sonni Ali
UU: A horseman of some sort

Civ: Dutch (Europe)
Expansionist/Scientific
Amsterdam
Leader: William of Orange
UU: Ship of the line (replaces frigate)

Civ: Portugese (Europe)
Commercial/Expansionist
Lisbon
Leader: Don Juan II
UU: ?

Civ: Khmer (asian)
Industrious/Religous
Angkor Wat
Industrious/Religious
Leader: King Jayvarman
UU: ?

	25-10-2002 13:35									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Raiche23 There is no way Austria-Hungary was part of the German empire. They were pretty big and probably them and Portugal are top 2 left.

Who was talking about the German Empire? I am talking about the German civilization, and Austria is part of it.
Hungary is another story.

	25-10-2002 13:41									#10
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As I said earlier, Byzantines, Hebrews and Inca, and probably the Dutch as well are all virtually shoe-ins for the next XP. They an order of magnitude or two more famous/significant than most of the civs. Dutch maybe aren't quite shoe-ins just because of the number of Euro civs worthy of consideration.
The really interesting speculation is who will take the last three spots. I think a african civ is likely, followed by two of the following: Poles, Portugese, Khmer.
I don't think there's realliy any other civs Firaxis would take under consideration. Someone might make a case for Polynesia, or perhaps one or two other odd civs I suppose, but I think it really just comes down to those tricky last three spots.

	25-10-2002 13:54									#11
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The only problem with Khmer is that they are quite a bit more obsecure than the other civs on my list, well they are about as obsecure as Mali, but Africa needs another civ far more than Asia.
However, I do think they are probably just famous enough for Firaxis to include them. There was the whole Khmer Rouge thing that probably stirred some interest in them. They were also mentioned in the recent Tomb Raider movie, so that always helps them out a bit.
If Firaxis deciedes to add another Asian civ, I think that it would almost have to be Khmer. In fact, I'm pretty sure that they would they would take them by a pretty good margin over some of their closest rivals, like Polynesia, Thai, Annam, and so on.

	25-10-2002 14:47									#12
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You left out the Swedish Empire.

During the 1700's under the reign of Charles XVII they were one of the most powerful nations on earth until Peter the Great of Russia defeated them in a war that lasted off and on for 40 years....but they had been a HUGE power for hundreds by then

	25-10-2002 15:01									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Meshelic You left out the Swedish Empire. During the 1700's under the reign of Charles XVII they were one of the most powerful nations on earth until Peter the Great of Russia defeated them in a war that lasted off and on for 40 years....but they had been a HUGE power for hundreds by then

Yeah, but we'll have to see modern vikings as scandinavians. Having both vikings and scandinavians wouldn't make much sense imho. (and that's also one reason why the italians shouldn't be in the game, don't think both romans and italians would be a good idea)

	25-10-2002 16:42									#14
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Hungarians are IN! As barbarians (Magyar), but I think that that doesn't count...

What I want is Finns/Samis. With unique unit ski-warrior. Improved speed&attack&defence on tundra and snowcapped mountains.

	25-10-2002 17:23									#15
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quote: Originally posted by aaglo Hungarians are IN! As barbarians (Magyar), but I think that that doesn't count...

WHAT ?

I've never seen them! Damn, I hate Firaxis for that!!!

Hear this, the Magyars are barbarians. Do I look like a barbarian, hmm ?! DO I ? Answer, damn it, or I'll cut throat and eat your liver !!


just kidding

	25-10-2002 17:38									#16
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quote: Originally posted by aaglo What I want is Finns/Samis. With unique unit ski-warrior. Improved speed&attack&defence on tundra and snowcapped mountains.

That's a cool idea, shame it can't be done now without a rules change.

	25-10-2002 22:37									#17
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Personally I'd like some of the nations involved in recent skirmishes like Serbia-Croatia, Vietnam, Iraq, etc. (Yea I know Iraq is Arabs)... I prefer a more historically accurate Civ and wouldn't mind putting the Yugoslavia skirmish down myself...

	25-10-2002 22:41									#18
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Honestly, I tried to complete your poll, but I just couldn't. There are only one or two civs missing now that PTW is coming out in my opinion, namely the Inca (we need a civ in south america, no?) and another one to fill out west africa.

I mean, really, can Poland, Canada, Brazil etc. really be considered as civilizations? To me they are modern nation-states, nothing more. Yes, some would also say this about Germany, England etc., but they have their roots going back a thousand years or more, and have both played a huge part in world history since then, as well as fighting some of history's most devestating wars.

To be honest, I could live without any new civs after PTW comes out. To me, the biggest things missing now are farms and more military units. That's it.

Just my two cents.....

	25-10-2002 22:45									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Serotonin (Yea I know Iraq is Arabs)...

Actually Iraq is Babylon.

	25-10-2002 22:48									#20
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I'm talking about modern day...

quote: Originally posted by Tiberius Actually Iraq is Babylon.

	25-10-2002 23:03									#21
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It doesn't matter too much in terms of civ3, does it?

IMHO, if you want, you should be able to make a scenario with Serbs and Croats and Iraq and whatever else you want to.

	25-10-2002 23:05									#22
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Of course you can just use the editor.. But then, what's the subject of this thread again?

	25-10-2002 23:47									#23
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quote: Originally posted by -proletarian- I mean, really, can Poland, really be considered a civilization

Yes they can.

	26-10-2002 00:02									#24
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Yes they can.

Let me guess, you're Polish, correct?

	26-10-2002 00:46									#25
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Hey, you left out the Byzantines! They are a shoe-in for the next XP. I would say Dutch, Inca, and Hebrews are also shoe-ins as well. I would suspect that Firaxis includes another African civ such as Songhai or Mali and then perhaps the Poles, Portugese, and Khmer. It's difficult to say who will be in past the shoe-ins, given such a large number of civs to choose from.

My sentiments exactly.

	26-10-2002 00:50									#26
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider To elaborate on my picks just a bit. Civ: Byzantines (Mediterranean) Commercial/Industrious Constantinople Leader: Justinian UU Cataphract (replaces medevial infantry) Civ: Hebrews (Middle-East) Commercial/Religious Jerusalem Leader: Moses UU: Slingman (replaces archer) Civ: Inca (American) Industrious/Religous Cuzco Leader: Athualpa UU: Sun Warrior (replaces warrior) Civ: Songhai (Middle-East) Commercial/Militaristic Songhai Leader: Sonni Ali UU: A horseman of some sort Civ: Dutch (Europe) Expansionist/Scientific Amsterdam Leader: William of Orange UU: Ship of the line (replaces frigate) Civ: Portugese (Europe) Commercial/Expansionist Lisbon Leader: Don Juan II UU: ? Civ: Khmer (asian) Industrious/Religous Angkor Wat Industrious/Religious Leader: King Jayvarman UU: ?

The Byzantine capital should be Byzantium, not Constantinople. Yes I know it's the same city, but the name is important.

Also, there's no way the Dutch should be Exp./Scientific. They HAVE to be Commercial, it's what they were known for. Their economy kicked arse back in the day.

	26-10-2002 00:52									#27
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no more xp plz

but if there is another one, add max of 3 civ and focus on other features... i dont want firaxis to pretend they added a whole boat load of feature by making excess civ that posibly cant have different trait that existing ones have. besides some people prefer to mod civs w/o taking out existin civs so maxing out civ # for next xp = bad idea.

Incas are the only civ that could possibly have legitimate reason to be in.
1. they are cool civ (although rest are cool too)
2. geographic. (south america)
3. Balances cultural link (Need more american culture)

	26-10-2002 00:56									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II no more xp plz but if there is another one, add max of 3 civ and focus on other features... i dont want firaxis to pretend they added a whole boat load of feature by making excess civ that posibly cant have different trait that existing ones have. besides some people prefer to mod civs w/o taking out existin civs so maxing out civ # for next xp = bad idea. Incas are the only civ that could possibly have legitimate reason to be in. 1. they are cool civ (although rest are cool too) 2. geographic. (south america) 3. Balances cultural link (Need more american culture)

The Dutch have a very legitimate reason to be in the game. I'm surprised they're not already.

	26-10-2002 01:14									#29
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Incas, all the three african civs and a new culture group = "african".

	26-10-2002 01:15									#30
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quote: Originally posted by -proletarian- Let me guess, you're Polish, correct?

Nope, I'm a Kansan.
Poland has been a prominent world power at several times in world history. There's no way you can classify them with "civs" like the Canadians or Brazillians.