27-10-2002 00:25									#1
	Imperial Dip 50: Spring 1874 Results Got spare money?

Austria (sent into turtle-mode by me):
A Mos S A Wrs
A WRs S A Mos
A Glc H
F Ber S A Kie
A Kie S A Hol
A Hol S A Mtz
A Sax(? SW germany...) S A Mtz
A Mar S A Vlc (support cut)
A Pie S A Mar
F WMed S A Vlc (support cut)
A Vlc S A Mar (support cut, army dislodged and destroyed)
F Lyo S A Vlc
F Crs S F WMed
A Ven-Rom
A Vie-Ven
A Bav S A Sax
A Sil S F Ber
F Sic, Adr and Nap S F Tyr

Holland (sent into turle-mode by me):
F Mld S F E.Indian
F E. Indian S F Mld
F Amn H
F Jva H
F Ngu H

The Ottoman Empire (orange)
A Con - Trp
F Tun S A Con - Trp
F Aeg C A Con - Trp
F Ionian C A Con - Trp
A Sof - Rmn
F Black C A Sof - Grg (invalid order)
A Sev S A Sof - Grg (invalid order)
A Bku S A Sof - Grg (invalid order)
A Arm - Tbr
A Bag - Ban
A Teh S A Afg - Khv
A Afg - Khv (move fails)
F Hdr (nc) S British A Oma
F Red C A Mec - Asw
A Cai S A Mec - Asw
A Sud - Dar (move fails)
F Som S F Ken
F HoAfrica - M. Channel
F Sey S F HoAfrica - M. Channel
A Trn commit suicide (unit dislodged and destroyed)
F Ken S F HoAfrica - M. Channel (support cut)


The orange one (England)
F-Den S F-Nor
F-Skg S F-Nor
F-Hlg S F-Skg (invalid support)
F-Nor S F-Den (support cut)
F-G.Bot > Baltic
A-Fin S A-Stp
A-Stp S A-Fin
A-Grg H
A-Oma H
F-Arabian > G.Manaar
A-Krc S A-Kas
A-Kas S A-Krc
A-Mdh > Lck
A-Mds H
F-NE Monsoon > Arabian
F-Bnk/ec > G.Siam
A-Mls > Sp
F-Sum S F-Bor > Java
F-Bor > Java (move fails)
F-Oki S Chinese F-Philippine

China (Defiant)
F-SUNDRA - CELEBES (move fails, unit dislodge and can retreat to S.China or OTB)
F-IZU - BISMARK (move fails)
F-CAROLINAS S F-IZU - BISMARK
F-PHILIPPINE S F-IZU - BISMARK (support cut)
F-KURIL - W.PACIFIC (move fails)
F-KAM S F-SAP - KURIL
F-SAP - KURIL (move fails)
F-EDO S F-SAP - KURIL
F-YELLOW - IZU (move fails)
F-E.CHINA S F-PHILIPPINE
F-PHILIPPINE S F-IZU - BISMARK (duplicate order)
F-S.CHINA - LUZON
F-FM S F- PHILIPPINE
A-VLA HOLD
A-PRM S A-GRG
A-OMS S A-GRG
A-ORN S A-BKH - KHV
A-BKH - KHV
A-KSL - BKH
A-KSH S A-KSL - BKH
A-KRA - KSL
A-TIB S A-KSH
A-BRM HOLD
A-YUT HOLD
A-SIA HOLD
A-CCH HOLD

PRESS:
To England: Its a long road but we can do it should to shoulder, hang in there
To Turkey: You diseased little fart, just relinquish what is China's territory.
To CSA: Donkey! Donkey! Donkey! that about says it all.
To Mexico: See above

Mexico
PRESS:

Long live the mighty CSA!!! Its history not racism.

Collect call for Mr. Turkey from Mexico. Will you accept the charges? Thank
you.
"I intend to unleash a furious assault upon your hapless, Muslim, heathen
hordes. Prepare to be outwitted yet again. Oh, and don't try to hide any
units in schools, hospitals or orphanages like some of your contemporaries"

I wonder if England will bother to submit moves. His NMR last turn was
actually more effective against my forces than any of his previous turns.

The Dutch always choke in the big one.

Q: What's the difference between a Chinese man and a Chinese woman?
A: Ask Madam butterfly.

MOVES:

1. F Westerlies - W. Pacific
2. F E. Pacific - Kirbati
3. F A. Pacific - Barrier
4. F Drake - A. Pacific
5. F FLK - Drake
6. F CoArgentina - B. Current
7. F B. Current - A. Atlantic
8. A URU holds
9. A RDJ holds
10. A AMA - PRA
11. A PRA - AGL
12. F NE Trades c A PRA - AGL
13. F M Atlantic c A PRA - AGL
14. F S Atlantic c A PRA - AGL
15. F SCT - SW Pacific
16. F CTN - TRN
17. A BOT s F CTN - TRN
18. A RHO - MOZ (move fails)
19. A CNG s A MOZ - KEN
20. A MOZ - KEN
21. F MAD s F W. Indian
22. F A. Indian s F Barrier - SE Trades
23. F SRW s F JAVA - BOR
24. F JAVA - BOR (move fails)
25. F Timor - CEL (move fails)
26. F SE Trades - NE Monsoon
27. F Barrier - SE Trades
28. F QUE - TIMOR (move fails)
29. F Coral s CSA F W. Pacific - Bismark
30. F Tasman - QUE
31. F NTR - PRT
32. F W. Indian s F SE Trades - NE Monsoon
33. F A. Atlantic - Goodhope
34. A PRT - SAU

Dip 50 Imperial - Spring 1874 Confederate States of America Orders (Ruffhaus)

F Hudson Bay - Greenland
A Greenland - Iceland
F Northern Passage convoys A Greenland - Iceland
F Barents Sea - Norway
F Norwegian Sea supports F North Atlantic Ocean - North Sea
F Edinburg supports F North Atlantic Ocean - North Sea
F London supports F North Atlantic Ocean - North Sea
F North Atlantic Ocean - North Sea (move fails)
F Dublin - North Atlantic Ocean (move fails)
F North Sea - Rouen (move fails)
F Nantes F North Sea - Rouen (move fails)
A Rouen - Metz (move fails)
A Paris - Marseilles (move fails)
A Bordeaux - Marseilles (move fails)
A Toledo supports F Strait of Gibraltar - Valencia
F Gibraltar - supports F Strait of Gibraltar - Valencia
F Strait of Gibraltar - Valencia
F Morocco - Western Mediterranean Sea
F Bay of Biscay - Strait of Gibraltar
F Canary Islands supports F Bay of Biscay - Strait of Gibraltar
A Azores Islands - hold
F Sargasso Sea convoys A Bahamas - Cape Verde Islands
A Bahamas - Cape Verde Islands
A FZZ - DAR (move fails)
A TWR- FZZ (move fails)
A MDO - ELJ
A Grain Coast - MDO
F Ivory Coast - Grain Coast
F Gulf of Guinea supports F Ivory Coast - Grain Coast
A Washington State - hold
A Alaska - hold
F Anchorage supports F Bering Sea - hold
F Bering Sea supports F North Pacific Ocean - Westerlies
F North Pacific Ocean - Westerlies
F Hawaii supports Mexican F Westerlies - Western Pacific Ocean
F Western Pacific Ocean - Bismark Sea
F Equatorial Countercurrent supports F Western Pacific Ocean - Bismark Sea
F IJA supports F Western Pacific Ocean - Bismark Sea
F Luzon - Phillipine Sea (move fails)
F Luzon Strait - Sunda Sea
F Mindanao supports F Luzon Strait - Sunda Sea
F Celebes Sea supports F Luzon Strait - Sunda Sea (support cut)


Press:

Mexico, you bumbling fool! Get the hell out of the way.

RICHMOND, VIRGINIA - April 17, 1873 - An executive order was issued by
President Jefferson Davis Ruffhaus VIII to the War Department ordering the
invasion of continental Europe. All preveious arrangements in place with
the treacherous Tutonic twits and the boorish British boobs have been
recinded. Named as commander of the European theater, Lieutenant General
James Longstreet will command three armies across the 'pond'. Cavalry
commanders J.E.B. Stuart, Nathan Bedford Forest, and John Singleton Mosby are
expected to spearhead the infantry with mounted units, each the size of a
corps, with the daring that made them famous when liberating the Confederacy
from the iron grasp of the Whiskered Tyrant.

The President also lauded former Yankee Admiral Faragut of the Pacific Fleet
as his outnumbered warships continue to hold the Phillipines and capture
additional territory in spite of the best efforts of the "defiant" Chinese
navy. Of course the the ever modest Faragut claimed the the ineptness of
the Chinese made it all too easy. The admiral reportedly exclaimed "Damn the
torpedoes, those rice barges [Chinese warships] ships are junk! Full Speed
ahead!"

In other news Mr. Ruffhaus applauded the continued success of our brilliant
Mexican allies, and congratulated them on their prowess

	27-10-2002 00:26									#2
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only one retreat (china) and its a no-brainer so lets get fall orders in by thursday ok?

	27-10-2002 01:10									#3
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quote: A Sof - Rmn F Black C A Sof - Grg (invalid order) A Sev S A Sof - Grg (invalid order) A Bku S A Sof - Grg (invalid order)

well fuck me

	27-10-2002 01:12									#4
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oh, and here's some press:

Dearest China: I offered you my services, and you spat in my face. CSA will solo, and you'll have no one to blame but yourself.

	27-10-2002 21:54									#5
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quote: well **** me

Doesn't change much of anything becuase the convoy would have failed anyway...

	27-10-2002 22:05									#6
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i know but still rather noobish of me

	27-10-2002 22:13									#7
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Spring 1874 Map:


http://www.geocities.com/ruffhaus8/IMPERIAL/S1874.gif


A few observations on the orders as I made the map:

* Austrian A Metz (unordered)
* Austrian F Tyrhennina Sea (unordered)
* Chinese F Sunda Sea cannot cut support of a unit (CSA F Celebes Sea) that is supporting an action against it unless it succeeds in dislodging that unit.
* Chinese A Bokhara - KHV bounces 2v2 with Turkish A Afghanistan
* Chinese A KSL bounces with A Bokhara * CSA F Barents Sea - Norway fails 1v3
* CSA F Morocco - Western Mediterranean Sea fails 1v2
* CSA F Celebes Sea is not attack by Mexican F Timor Sea (see below), nor is it's support broken by Chinese F Sunda Sea (see above)
* Mexican F Timor Sea was ordered to "CEL" (Celebes island/s) not to Celebes Sea
* Mexican F Queensland - Timor Sea succeeds, as F Timor - Celebes (island/s) does
* Tukish A Mecca (unordered) though support and convoy orders for it are referenced

Without being too picky about this, may I ask that the GM look into the Mecca order please? I've shown it on the map, but if the unit being convoyed is still responsible for submitting its own order.

	30-10-2002 10:32									#8
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quote: Without being too picky about this, may I ask that the GM look into the Mecca order please?

When intent is clear I'm always lenient about this sort of thing more or less like I never have countries go into civil disorder.
Should have been clearer about both, but now GM policy has both helped and hurt the CSA and anti-CSA alliances so things are even now I guess...

	30-10-2002 16:57									#9
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I'm not sure that anything helped the CSA at all in these decisions. I was looking for an answer and I got it. Thank you.

I know that we're talking different games and different GMs, but I'm really getting ****ed on both ends of the rule interpretations spectrum (see CGN Imperial Dip). Of course that's why I don't think that you should stray from the rules at all.

I might also point out that we waited over a week past the deadline for the final set of orders to be submittted (and that leniency might have been exhausted at that point?) One would have hope that with an extra week to prepare that the submitted orders would be ... in order, eh?