29-10-2002 22:35									#1
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Please can we have a proper stories forum? We'll look after it, and take it for walks and stuff.

I realise that there's a forum called "Stories and Diplomacy" but it might as well be called "Stories, cheese and Diplomacy" because no-one talks about cheese there either. The icy hand of Dip just strangles them.

	29-10-2002 22:58									#2
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Hear, Hear!

The insidious hand of Diplomacy strangles the roots of any budding stories that could ever hope to take root.

By the time you figure out a great 3rd part to a story, it is already at the end of Page 3 and you figure no one will read it because every came for the Diplomacy.

	30-10-2002 01:11									#3
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LOL, I'm positive it could well be the official spam forum, does any mod ever visit it at all ?

	30-10-2002 01:52									#4
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I concur. Let there be a stories forum.

	30-10-2002 02:19									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I concur. Let there be a stories forum.

Only if Laz will be modding there...

	30-10-2002 02:54									#6
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First you say you need to allow story threads in the OTF... because as said in the past, nobody goes to the story forum and you need the traffic of the OTF to keep them going... Yet most story threads that have been started have very little participation beyond a few people.

Now you say you need a seperate story forum because the Diplomacy theads overwhelm the stories... Uhhh, I just looked and there are only 12 active threads in the last 7 days... nothing is being "strangled" in that forum.
If people would get active in stories, it would probably end up the other way around... And I'm still trying to figure out how a story thread could end up on page 3 unless everybody ignored it

I think maybe you need to prove that Story threads enjoy a high enough level of interest to even SHARE a forum before you go asking for a seperate one

	30-10-2002 03:01									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Let there be a stories forum.

Thats sounds very cosmogonic.

	30-10-2002 03:02									#8
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Who's the "you", Ming? Not me.

People want stories in the OT because they die in that Diplomacy wasteland. In the OT they slip too quickly.

The AC Fiction and Civ 3 forums prove that a dedicated fiction forum works. However it wouldn't be fair to the regulars there to start putting generalised fiction, participative story threads and short story threads in their forums- I doubt they'd be welcomed.

You've got ready-made examples on this site, Ming. If that's not the proof you need, what is?

	30-10-2002 03:14									#9
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Again... you have to prove there is enough interest level in generalized fiction to justify it's own forum first. This has been a long running discussion for many years (and the "you" was meant to imply past advocates of story threads). Never in the past has there been enough interest to justify it... and I don't see anything that is different now.

Granted... it's up the owners of the site to make this call... I'm just stating some of the arguments against it that have been used in the past... and still apply today

And again... "Diplomacy wasteland"... We are talking only 12 active threads in the last week. A story thread would easily stay near the top if people were interested... I don't see how a seperate forum is needed.

	30-10-2002 03:29									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Again... you have to prove there is enough interest level in generalized fiction to justify it's own forum first.

How much is "enough interest". There is one forum that hasn't been posted in for 4 weeks. Yet it retains its status as a forum. If its not being used squatters may move in.

http://apolyton.net/forums/forumdis...?s=&forumid=112

	30-10-2002 03:43									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin How much is "enough interest". There is one forum that hasn't been posted in for 4 weeks. Yet it retains its status as a forum. If its not being used squatters may move in.

I wouldn't recommend that unless you have a desire to be restricted

I would have to agree that some of the forums no longer have much activity (if any). In my opinion, I would eliminate them, but that's up to the owners.

I don't see why we need to add to that problem by adding another forum that falls into the category of minimum usage

	30-10-2002 11:17									#12
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ming just doesn't want to be in charge of modding ANOTHER forum markos has asked for volunteers in the past, and even recently let someone else mod it and it should be fine. i also think a dedicated story forum would gain steam if it was presented. Besides, it can't be that hard to add another forum, can it?

	30-10-2002 12:16									#13
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Hear Hear! Story theads have had heaps of activity, but they fall beneath the other threads, so people can't see them.

Stories and Diplomacy... bah. I agree with Lazarus and Imran. Dips just rule it.

If a volunteer could be found to mod it, the All Systems go IMO!!!

	31-10-2002 00:46									#14
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I think the occasional one in the OT is better. More people get to enjoy them then. Think of the number of views Laz's most current one would have gotten in a seperate forum vs. what it got in the OT. I can guarentee that I wouldn't have seen it elsewhere. (unless it was in the CIVII MP forum )

It the stories are crap, they will dissappear quickly. If they're good, like Laz's, people will keep bumping them. (proved over the last couple of days)

And I think a good story thread (every now and then) can add to the charm of the OT.

RAH
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	31-10-2002 00:54									#15
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Charm??????? OT!!!!!!!!!!!!

	31-10-2002 01:15									#16
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YES CHARM.

A lot of on-topic posters visit the OT and are shocked at some of the flaming that occurs, or bored by the same-old same-old discussions. Story threads can be entertaining, (when done properly) and can get people to COME BACK. A little fresh meat always helps.

Rich

	31-10-2002 01:31									#17
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I have to questionise that too. Rah, what charm would it be?

Anyway...

I have already proposed a separate forum for never ending stories related games as they're really off-topic in their current location in Civ3-Stories. I have talked to other N.E.S. players about having a separate and they have agreed that it would be a worthy idea as our games are now automatically seen as Civ III related because of the forum. The idea was actually Sheep's, but I brought it up a request from the N.E.S. community of Poly. Based on what we talked an what would be realistic, the proposal also includes that I would be working as the moderator of the forum as I'm nowadays playing N.E.S. games too.

My extended proposal would be a joint N.E.S. and stories forum as that could be more realistic than 2 different forums. I also volunteer as previously stated in the staff room for the moderatorship of the forum.

Oh, and one more thing. I assume none of who play games related to never ending stories (N.E.S.) would be happy if the suggestions of Ming and Rah would become the official policy, because the N.E.S. threads would immidiately become squats for carbage, unlike now when they are well organised and working.

Hopefully Sheep, Civman and Giovanni have something to add about this.

	31-10-2002 01:41									#18
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quote: Originally posted by rah get people to COME BACK.

I don't want them coming back, they cause the server problems.

	31-10-2002 02:37									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Oh, and one more thing. I assume none of who play games related to never ending stories (N.E.S.) would be happy if the suggestions of Ming and Rah would become the official policy, because the N.E.S. threads would immidiately become squats for carbage, unlike now when they are well organised and working.

Uhhhh... Ras... Rah and I have never mentioned one word about N.E.S. threads... so what are you talking about. All I've done is restate the "current official policy" for NON GAME related story threads and the arguments that led to setting them in the past. This thread had absolutely nothing to do with N.E.S until you mentioned it.

	31-10-2002 03:48									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin I don't want them coming back, they cause the server problems.

Well, you have a point there. Hmmmmmmm

Fresh meat in the OT is worth it. UNLESS THEY"RE FREAKING LIBERALS>

RAH
I don't remember mentioning N.E.S either (still a confusing Acronym.) I was talking about real story threads.

	31-10-2002 05:06									#21
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quote: Originally posted by rah RAH I don't remember mentioning N.E.S either (still a confusing Acronym.) I was talking about real story threads.

I was wonder what the hell Nintendo had to do with anything.



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	31-10-2002 09:58									#22
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Explain again why you cannot work within the existing "Stories & Diplomacy" forum for the purpose in question?

Just for the record, the terms "Stories" and "Diplomacy" can be mutually exclusive. Just make sure that they are relevant to the on-topic forum discussions on the site.

I suppose now that I've said this you'll want the forum renamed "Stories and/or Diplomacy"...

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	31-10-2002 10:36									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Uhhhh... Ras... Rah and I have never mentioned one word about N.E.S. threads... so what are you talking about. All I've done is restate the "current official policy" for NON GAME related story threads and the arguments that led to setting them in the past. This thread had absolutely nothing to do with N.E.S until you mentioned it.

Did I ever claim that you would have talked about never ending stories? Nope.

I mentioned N.E.S. as I suggested a joint a forum for stories and never ending stories as they're linked together. I gave some background information what had previously happened and stated this new suggestion. Where should I have done that then? Start a new thread? It was perfectly legitimate to suggest it here as a part of the discussion. Now if you excuse me, but isn't that overreacting?

In the case you want to continue to argue about this, feel free to discuss it by PM.

	31-10-2002 10:47									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Oh, and one more thing. I assume none of who play games related to never ending stories (N.E.S.) would be happy if the suggestions of Ming and Rah would become the official policy, because the N.E.S. threads would immidiately become squats for carbage, unlike now when they are well organised and working.

Then explain the above away... How does anything that we are talking about in this thread have to do with "NES threads immidiately becoming squats for cabage."

Nobody suggests moving NES threads to the Story/Diplomacy, OTF, or misc games forums... Especially since this thread has absolutely NOTHING to do with NES story threads until you posted. So what suggestions did I or Rah make that has absolutely ANYTHING to do with your NES story threads... Please explain that.

And by the way, since you brought it into the discussion... I just checked, and basicially, we are talking about only 5 NES threads in the Civ III Story Forum in the last 10 days... hardly enough IMHO to justify an entire forum.

While I would agree they make no sense to be in the Civ III forum, so maybe, in my opinion, they should be moved to the Misc Games Forum, since there seems to be no real reason to create a new forum for such limited activity....

	31-10-2002 10:48									#25
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quote: Originally posted by rah I was talking about real story threads.

Yes, and I was talking about uniting them into one single forum.

P.S. I'm not blind, even if you may think so.

	31-10-2002 10:57									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Then explain the above away... How does anything that we are talking about in this thread have to do with "NES threads immidiately becoming squats for cabage."

As they can be counted as story threads too (that's the basic idea with never ending stories, even if played as games), they would end up too in the OTF if Rah's and your opinion would become the policy for story threads. That means N.E.S. threads would have to be in the OTF, so people would easily find them as a good place to spam or rant how pointless and dumb N.E.S. playing is.

quote: Especially since this thread has absolutely NOTHING to do with NES story threads until you posted. So what suggestions did I or Rah make that has absolutely ANYTHING to do with your NES story threads... Please explain that. While I would agree they make no sense to be in the Civ III forum, so maybe, in my opinion, they should be moved to the Misc Games Forum, since there seems to be no real reason to create a new forum for such limited activity....

The reason why I brought up N.E.S. games was that I suggest a joint forum for stories of all kind (including never ending stories as they don't warrant that much of a separate forum, even though this wasn't my suggestion in the first place, but I refined it to a joint forum when I saw this suggestion for a forum for stories). And yes, Rah and you aren't involved in any N.E.S. related suggestion, except for having stories in the OTF, but I haven't claimed anything else.

	31-10-2002 11:11									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin As they can be counted as story threads too (that's the basic idea with never ending stories, even if played as games), they would end up too in the OTF if Rah's and your opinion would become the policy for story threads.

Uhhhh... that is only your "assumption" and a bad one at that. You are talking about something entirely DIFFERENT than the story threads that are being suggested in this thread. Yours are "game" story threads, and these that are being discussed here are NOT.

Plus, you don't seem to even understand the current policy. (and maybe you should learn what it is before trying to make comments about it)

The Story threads that we are discussing here belong in the Story/Diplomacy forum at this point in time. They were moved to there FROM the OTF. The only reason why an OCCASIONAL story thread appears in the OTF is because the starter WANTS it there, not because we moved it there. While we do allow one or two stories threads in the OTF if the thread starter wants it there, we have NEVER ever stated that they should all be moved there. So again, what the heck are you talking about.

	31-10-2002 11:13									#28
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And as far as your joint story thread idea... did you bother to read what this thread is about. People want their own story forum... not one shared with another game... and that is really what you are suggesting, that they move for one shared forum to another.

	31-10-2002 21:22									#29
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how is it that Ras is stil a mod after giving Ming and Markso such a hard time for so long?

	31-10-2002 21:37									#30
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower how is it that Ras is stil a mod after giving Ming and Markso such a hard time for so long?

Because he does an excellent job modding the forum that he is assigned to. He is welcome to his own opinions, just like we all are. He is just still learning the difference between being a regular poster vs somebody who carries an Apolyton Staff Title