29-10-2002 23:29									#1
	Invisible Units in PBEM games Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I am playing in a PBEM game with some human and some computer opponents. One of the computer opponents is at war with me. His units enter the space I control and the Icon stays in one place and the unit keeps moving. My roads keep getting deleted by units I cannot see. I finally tracked one down and it is not a stealth unit, it was a Mounted Archer. The unit was located one tile outside of one of my cities, the city had units in it that should have been able to see the horse, but the tile appears empty when I look at the map. I found the unit when I tried to move into the tile and a battle started. Is there a patch somewhere I can load to be able to see these units. I am losing a lot of time chasing ghosts!

	30-10-2002 00:03									#2
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quote: Originally posted by GeorgeC I found the unit when I tried to move into the tile and a battle started. Is there a patch somewhere I can load to be able to see these units. I am losing a lot of time chasing ghosts!

I never saw this problem in CTP1 only in CTP2 and there only if I open the cheat editor and and set the whole map visible, then there are some AI units that should be on another spot and I have to click on the map to find them. But I never saw this in a reagualr game.

I don't know if there is a patch that could solve your problem but you could download and install the CTP1Hack-Patch v.1.21 it helped me to get rid of another annoying crash ressource.

You find it here on Apolyton in the directory in the CTP1 category.

-Martin

	30-10-2002 17:22									#3
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These units are not invisible, they are displayed in a wrong tile.

I don't think there is a patch for this bug.


You can try this though:
scroll the map
keep scrolling
look at an AI unit when scrolling
stop scrolling
if this unit now suddenly moves to a different position, you have found it's real position
(that is the position it had when you were scrolling)

	30-10-2002 23:43									#4
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Yeah, this is quite a common problem in PBEM games with computer players. I even have a city like this in one of my games.

	31-10-2002 00:28									#5
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Thanks for the info, I was hoping it was an old problem and had been fixed already

	12-12-2002 22:32									#6
	Re: Invisible Units in PBEM games Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by GeorgeC I am playing in a PBEM game with some human and some computer opponents. One of the computer opponents is at war with me. His units enter the space I control and the Icon stays in one place and the unit keeps moving. My roads keep getting deleted by units I cannot see. I finally tracked one down and it is not a stealth unit, it was a Mounted Archer. The unit was located one tile outside of one of my cities, the city had units in it that should have been able to see the horse, but the tile appears empty when I look at the map. I found the unit when I tried to move into the tile and a battle started. Is there a patch somewhere I can load to be able to see these units. I am losing a lot of time chasing ghosts!

exactly this problem i had only once. and i couldnt get rid of it until asking the AI to withdraw their units.

another problem i often encounter is that my units move but i dont see them move. also i dont see any new territory they discover.
the icon stays in one spot and the unit apparently walks somewhere else.
in this case it always helps to save and reload the game, that is force the program to redraw the screen.

in MP games though you will have problems with it if u are the host, i discovered, since there is no way to redraw the screen without quitting the game. or is there ?
if so please mail it to mathemagician@gmx.de
thanks

	28-01-2003 00:42									#7
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ugh i just had this problem in one of my pbem games, i accidently attacked an AI diplomat that was supposedly 2 tiles away and i moved my unit to be adjacent to it and my unit killed the diplomat so i reloaded it, seeing as it was caused by a bug.