11-01-2001 05:39									#1
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In the 1880s, suddently the babylonian empire appeared in my foreign minister's report without me having ever met them!
Their capital is size 0 but that doesn't stop them from making threats to me demanding the secret of... sanitation of all things!!

I bet I can search the whole world and not find them. has this happened to anyone else?

	11-01-2001 07:12									#2
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A foreign capital appears as size 0 until you (from memory) actually meet the civ. As far as the civ suddenly appearing out of nowhere, I've never heard of it happening. Obviously. early in the game, a civ that's destroyed can be replaced by another of the same colour, but that doesn't seem to have happened here. Was there a green civ in the game before this happened?

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	11-01-2001 07:16									#3
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If you have the Marco Polo or United Nations you can even talk to civs that are just settlers. I one game I played the egyts showes up for many turns but had not cities listed on the intelligence screen. I finnally found them after a few dozens turns wandering around on an island with 2 NON settlers.

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	11-01-2001 15:23									#4
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Yes, I know about Marcos and UN I have built neither (nor captured a city with them).
I don't think there was a green civ before, but I can't be sure about it 'cause I play in large world map. I am in Asia, Vikings (Europe) and Persians next to me, Indian and Roman in America and Egyptians in Africa. Since this game is tough I paid attention to all messages and no civ has been destroyed yet.

Still I can't be sure that there was no green civ.
Thanx about the info about the capital being O size when civ is not met.

Can a civ you never met before appear in the foreign report if you have alliance with a civ that has met them? (I have no alliance with anybody but just a thought). Only the Vikings (with whom I have been in a war througout the game) know the babylonias and the Indians who keep asking me for an alliance to crush the persians. Maybe it's a small bug.

	11-01-2001 16:13									#5
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Is there an insignificant Babylonian unit mixed in amongst the evil Viking armies? Maybe you met them but for some reason no dialogue was initiated?

	11-01-2001 23:34									#6
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I thought every time you meet a civ for the first time you get to talk with them no?

P.S. Vikings will just not understand that peacefull co-existance can leed to many good things like my empire going to AC
By the way I didn't know that stealing tech. can provoke an international incident. Well, I did that the one and only time there was peace with the Vikings and now the just wont leave my western frontier alone...

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	12-01-2001 01:17									#8
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That's it Dave. The UN. But there is no documentation that says that ALL civs get contact with ALL civs...
Anyway obviously this is the case. The indians built it...
Thanx

	12-01-2001 01:23									#9
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Plus they might be settlers like Lefty said. UN and Marcos report even that huh?
Is there anything the good people of this forum DON'T know