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What should our economic system be?
This poll is closed.
Free Market -- as soon as we can pull back our troops 6 31.58%
Planned -- for the moment, keep the status quo 13 68.42%
Write-in -- neither of the above suits my taste 0 0%
Xenobanana -- as long as we grow those, who cares about economics? 0 0%
Total: 19 voters 100%
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AdamTG02 is offline AdamTG02
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Should we pull back our troops outside our borders, and change to Free Market after that? Or should we stick with Planned?

This poll will be open for four days.

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It's time for FM. Pull in those troops.

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lets keep planned for a while still, we havent explored the whole conitent yet, and there is still a huge amount of area to colononize, we should switch to FM once all our bases on the ocnitnet are well established and perferebllay have taken advantge from the pop boom.

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Planned! Continue pop-booming, continue exploration. When energy restrictions are lifted, and boreholes and tidal harnesses are boosting energy production, FM will be most effective.

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Planned. We should wait with FM a while, til we set up the borders our empire. Remember also that the power of FM relies heavily on the quantity of our workers (1 worker=1 additional energy point), so let's continue our neat population growth at the moment.

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i say still planned...i dont want to colonize the entire continent but i want some colonization before we go to FM

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I say planned for a while yet... I no its not a popular idea but the pop boom could give us a core of 16 size bases in relativly little time, then switch to FM. IMHO this more than makes up for the loss of economy as opposed to FM (and with wealth our industry is much improved)

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Absolutely! Our research is pretty slow now, getting us a new discovery only every 20 turns or so - it will be quite some time before FM is an effective option (post-energy restriction lifting). In the meantime, our current Planned model enables us to grow our bases significantly (in size and infrastructure). Keep it up - eventually we might benefit hugely from a switch to FM but not right now . . .

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planned...for now

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I say planned for a while yet... I no its not a popular idea but the pop boom could give us a core of 16 size bases in relativly little time, then switch to FM. IMHO this more than makes up for the loss of economy as opposed to FM (and with wealth our industry is much improved)


How exactly do you intend to keep the local citizens under control? We don't yet have even the most rudimentary Drone control facilities, so trying to control size 16 bases would be a nightmare.

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How exactly do you intend to keep the local citizens under control? We don't yet have even the most rudimentary Drone control facilities, so trying to control size 16 bases would be a nightmare.



Switching to FM for sure will not improve our drones control...

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Yes, but I'm not the one advocating we grow our bases to size 16.

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I've posted all my arguements elsewhere time and time again, so I won't repeat them here. FM, NOW.

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Planned. Our populace sings with the burst of population Growth.

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Why do you keep making polls about that ?
The two last polls were clear about that : UN citizens prefer a planned economy for the moment.

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How exactly do you intend to keep the local citizens under control? We don't yet have even the most rudimentary Drone control facilities, so trying to control size 16 bases would be a nightmare.


With the Virtual World being hurried and being Peacekeepers it wouldn't take that much. With rec commons and a couple of specialists it would probably be no more problem than if we had FM and didnt grow as much.

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Its possible with the University on Transcend without *too* much trouble, so drones shouldn't be much of a problem here.

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The UoP has free network nodes. So from the moment they have the Virtual World, of course they can go FM without any problem. The PKs are a little different. We first need to build up all the necessary drone structures. This is best done under a planned economy.

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C'mon guys, I think there are really worse problems than owning a base with size 16....

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Indeed. It starts to be annoying at size 30, when you waste 10 specialists...

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it's usually more than that with crawlers...

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Indeed. It starts to be annoying at size 30, when you waste 10 specialists...


Size 30 requires Hab Domes. Any game being played properly shouldn't require them, because tech will never get that far.

FM now will get us a guarenteed Pact with Morgan, who can support us with tech against the University. Most importantly, we'll get Doc Flex without having to research it ourselves.

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Size 30 requires Hab Domes. Any game being played properly shouldn't require them, because tech will never get that far.


That's true in MP where everyone starts smashing each other's skull the moment they get D:AP or even sooner. But I promise in this game we won't actively go conquer everyone and we might reach Hab domes unless we go for a diplomatic victory.

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i agree with maniac this game of, for me, not to win but on the other side size 30 i usually 'take care' of bases like that to not grow any more

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And why is that? Bases bigger than 30 are wrong?

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no but I always forget to use my specialists the right way so i try to keep it all in check....

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typo: promise -> suppose

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If we try to unify the world diplomatically, we might triumph and our faction be disbanded before ever learning the technology to create the huge metropolises described.

But why should we jump to that conclusion? It hasn't yet been decided whether we would want to unify the seven factions, or continue to exist and prosper as the Peacekeepers. There are many among our population who prefer each option. Does it make sense to say that if we're doing things right, we won't obtain the technology -- when there are so many other possibilities regarding just what is "right?"

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I reckon we should keep the game going to Transcendance. Diplomatic victory seems almost a little too easy for Peacekeepers, especially if we get the Empath Guild, even though it is in character.

 
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