05-11-2002 07:27									#1
	Uninstall Gamespy For Better Mp Results!!! Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Here is the scenario.

When I first started playing, I could host 4 player games no problem.

then I updated Gamespy.

Then I could only play 2 player games, and it crashed constantly..... (see my thread titled I cant play anymore)

Believe me, I tried and tried and tried, no matter what, I could only get a 2 player game going, as was reported by many others

in the lobby, a guy said he had no problems, and he never installed gamespy.

In a couple of days I could hardly do anything without getting major crashes.

So I unistalled gamespy.... and guess what.

PTW worked without a hitch. Hosted a 3 player game titled people w/o gamespy first time, WITH OTHER PEOPLE I WAS SURE had NOT INSTALLED GAMESPY!!!

thankyou Rjack and Toasty for testing this with me.... sorry I bolted to report the finings of my experiment.


EDIT: you may not need to uninstall gamespy, you may just nedd to make sure it isn't running, and that no-one else is using gamespy also.

Also, I am aware that the civ III lobby says powered by gamespy.... even if you un-install gamespy. It will still work with gamespy un-installed. Also, this issue may be fixed in the next patch.... but until then.....

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	05-11-2002 07:52									#2
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I'm not sure I fully understand what you're saying. You mean, it's possible to play PTW MP without Gamespy? I thought Gamespy is what facilitates MP in the first place.

	05-11-2002 08:03									#3
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nope, I uninstalled it and it worked fine by pressing "multiplayer" on the title screen.

Also, be sure the people you are playing with do not have gamespy installed too, and LOW PINGS are necessary for true game enjpyment.

I could be playing right now, but I want Civ III fans to know the cause of most of the problems

	05-11-2002 08:07									#4
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Thanks for the info. I'll check it out. Btw, how can you tell if someone has Gamespy installed or not?

	05-11-2002 08:09									#5
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Asking them always helps.

	05-11-2002 08:12									#6
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I had to ask

And I also had to ask someone who had it intalled to leave.... sorry dude :P

	05-11-2002 08:13									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Asking them always helps.

LOL! Is that the only way? Asking people if they have Gamespy installed on Gamespy is like asking people at an A.A. meeting if they're alcoholics. You know what answer you're going to get 99% of the time.

	05-11-2002 08:17									#8
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hit the multiplayer button at the title screen of PTW

host/join a game

ask them there

YOU DO NOT NEED GAMESPY TO PLAY PTW Multiplayer !

	05-11-2002 08:27									#9
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interesting

unfortunately gamespy is the only way to see who is online and lurking.

	05-11-2002 08:29									#10
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel interesting unfortunately gamespy is the only way to see who is online and lurking.

that does suck, but for now, gamespy needs to fix it's problems or firaxis needs to tell them soemthing or something I don't know, all I know are these dramatic results


I would prefer GS's layout, but, I would much rather get a good 4 player game.

	05-11-2002 08:52									#11
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If anyone would care to get 3 or four low pingers and test this, I'd appreciate it!

please post your results....

remeber, all players must not have gamespy installed on their computer.

they all must be 1.04f too.

	05-11-2002 08:57									#12
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How was the lag in the game? Cause I have gamespy and play through PTW and dont have any crashes anymore, I know what to do to avoid crashes, but it does lock up sometimes, and the lag is really bad expect on 1v1 games.

	05-11-2002 09:04									#13
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I am incredibly picky about lag, I never play anyone with lag above 150

4 player game I probably would only play pingers of 120 or less

	05-11-2002 09:09									#14
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'update GameSpy'

Which update? When? How did you trigger it?

	05-11-2002 09:13									#15
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the update was triggered by running gamepy IIRC

(I played the first day mostly through the civ III lobby, and couldn't find the Civ III room in gamespy until the next day)

	05-11-2002 09:27									#16
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The first time you ran GameSpy?

I run 2 computers with 2 IPs. I use one to browse GameSpy and the other as Host for games. The default GameSpy was installed on the host and I activated it at some point, since it now asks me to log in when I start GameSpy. However, it is asking me to update to 1.11b and shuts down when I say no.

I would like to know if it is GameSpy per se, or that version of Arcade. Of course it's useless info sorta. I can't get into Arcade unless I update, so I might as well delete it from the host.

	05-11-2002 09:27									#17
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... or is 1.11b a fix from their end?

Anybody?

	05-11-2002 11:46									#18
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like Half Life, Gamespy Arcade needs to die.

If yer doing MP, you might as well go the extra mile and build your own in game broswer.

	05-11-2002 20:06									#19
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I played my first game last night !

IT worked , everyone had shitspy uninstalled and played trough civ3 under 190 ping only , simul turns

and i experienced a bit of lag but nothing to be afraid of , Tiny map also and 3 player

Pentium 600 384 meg ram dsl connection windows xp profesional

hope this helps guys

	06-11-2002 01:31									#20
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I'm a bit confused about this : isn't Gamespy only a (very bad ) tool to find other players and launch the game? So once the game is launched, it's just some client-server connections between the players, and there shouldn't be any connection to Gamespy anymore... So why is it slowing the game itself? Does it still run in the background and send stuff to a Gamespy server or something?

	06-11-2002 02:07									#21
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Gamespy sucks. It's great news that we can run PtW without gamespy

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	06-11-2002 04:02									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Crousto I'm a bit confused about this : isn't Gamespy only a (very bad ) tool to find other players and launch the game? So once the game is launched, it's just some client-server connections between the players, and there shouldn't be any connection to Gamespy anymore...

It will not help lag issues bugs. But it wil lhelp ione of the bigger problems I observed, nobody could get a game started period. I think it has something to do with the two lobbies conflicting with eachother, but that's just a theory.

quote: So why is it slowing the game itself? Does it still run in the background and send stuff to a Gamespy server or something?

Gamespy doesn't slow the game to any measure of noticability. (it does run in the background, but shuts off everything except a heartbeat to let Gamespy know youo are playing a game)

	06-11-2002 04:17									#23
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GS is apperantly having the same effect as AOLers have had. GS doesnt host the games, its a matchmaking service, so its not "a slow GS server".

What I think is happening is that aphex.exe, part of GS is hogging bandwidth, like older versions of AOL.

At least we have a foundation to lay our hatred against now. Its not totally Infrogames/Firaxis's fault anymore.

	06-11-2002 04:22									#24
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it doesn;t help lag issues to uninstall gamespy... those are lag issues.

However, getting a better than 2 player game started, which is a major problem, uninstalling gamespy will help tremendously.... at least until the next patch... maybe.

	06-11-2002 04:32									#25
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Anything that works

	06-11-2002 06:20									#26
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If you go into the game and play you can start games. You dont need to unistall gamespy to get games started. I have started games with 3 or 4 people but the lag was too much. I have started a lot of 1v1 games and the lag is ok.

	06-11-2002 11:48									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www If you go into the game and play you can start games. You dont need to unistall gamespy to get games started. I have started games with 3 or 4 people but the lag was too much. I have started a lot of 1v1 games and the lag is ok.

And that's the point of this thread - Uninstall GameSpy and you'll have better chance of hosting/playing MP PTW games with more than just 1v1...you should be able to host/play a game w/ 3-4 human players as long as everyone has a low ping.

	06-11-2002 22:02									#28
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Someone need to point Firaxis to this thred so they can they will know what is causing the problem so it will be fixed sooner.

	08-11-2002 00:20									#29
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You guys are wrong about uninstalling gamespy. YOu should all read the statement they realsed here on the same board. Allthough if you open up gamespy arcade it does not even start the game, but if you use the game feature inside which still uses gamespy you can start a game with out crashes.

	09-11-2002 13:24									#30
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I did just read gamespy's staement, and I am a bit saddened, they replied to a thread I started at CFC, and yet, it appears they did not even take the time to read what I had posted.

In fact, my intelligence was insulted, as he went on to address how gamespy does not contribute to lag, (which I had already clearly clarified thaT UNINSTALLING IT WOULD NOT HELP lag issues) but did not address the fact that two different programs being used for the same game in the matchmaking process could be having problems, (even though thte techs are the same, something I also already aknowledged...... if he would have read the first post of the thread before he replied

then he went on to say that arcade and the Civ 3 PTW lobby use the same tech, not the same program

It was inattentive damage control. Simple as that.


BTW the problem should be fixed in 1.05 patch, so I hear.