08-11-2002 02:57									#31
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Whadda thread - like a wall of the public toilet of railway station or something, har-har...

	08-11-2002 04:28									#32
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Back on topic...

I am surprised it did not occur to me, but someone reminded me that minimum starting distance can be set with the editor.

We should play around with moving this up to 15, 20 or 25 tiles and see what effect that has.

	08-11-2002 04:43									#33
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Back on topic... I am surprised it did not occur to me, but someone reminded me that minimum starting distance can be set with the editor. We should play around with moving this up to 15, 20 or 25 tiles and see what effect that has.

True...I wonder if this will also keep the AI from building their cities right on top of one another...

	08-11-2002 04:45									#34
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I don't think it will effect AI city placement, just the player start tiles.

	08-11-2002 05:58									#35
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quote: It is NOT build a city and then search across God's half acre looking for your opponent. If this were the case, you might as well play a regular game of PTW with 2 people, no AIs and no Barbarians.

I agree.

These close start duels sound fun.

	08-11-2002 06:50									#36
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Ideally duels start you on opposite ends of the map - it minimises the luck factor and leads to better games. 10 squares apart causes results based on pure luck. This needs to be fixed. That's all I have to say.

	08-11-2002 18:53									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka What you're refering to is an educated assumption made by myself. That's ok if you don't wish to play me again though, I prefer playing people who aren't so stupid that they can't properly defend their capital improvements from a marauding warrior

Nah, I think I'll stick with people who don't bail when their opponent starts pulling ahead. Might make for a fun game. And calling someone stupid when you can't remember something that happened the night before, while sober, isn't exactly a biting insult.

	09-11-2002 03:07									#38
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Again, I must reitorate (as proven in this thread) - that I don't bail out of matches, and therefore didn't bail out of yours. You seem full of sarcastic rhetoric as to why you won't play me, only underlining how sh*tty a player you truly are. Duel me now! In the eyes of everyone in this thread, don't prove a coward (ie.) NAH I DONT FINK ILL PLAY SUMONE WHO BAILS WHEN I BARELY DEFEND AGANST A WARRIOR HAR HAR!@#ed)

Seriously though, I can't believe the ol' pillaging warrior trick worked against someone. You need practise, or perhaps a new brain, champ.

	09-11-2002 12:23									#39
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The next personal insult earns somebody a restriction.

I don't care who started it, but I'm going to end it.

	09-11-2002 13:44									#40
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Silence Ming. I will let you know when I feel you are needed.

	09-11-2002 15:13									#41
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If this thread reflects the way prople behave while multilaying I'll have more problems with the players than the bugs.

	09-11-2002 15:34									#42
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Heh. True, but...

They are not all that bad, statusperfect. Watch, and choose wisely.

	09-11-2002 15:40									#43
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Heh. True, but... They are not all that bad, statusperfect. Watch, and choose wisely.

I choose..... YOU!

	09-11-2002 16:26									#44
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*throws confetti*

	10-11-2002 01:05									#45
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quote: Originally posted by HappySunShine Silence Ming. I will let you know when I feel you are needed.

Classic Eyes...
But in reality, it works the other way around

	10-11-2002 02:02									#46
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Bo scurries for cover..., looking for a flame extinguisher

	13-11-2002 19:43									#47
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This happens in larger games too. Some
players are doomed right from the start.
I think scenarios with equal starting
positions will be best for multiplayer.
A good example for a bad starting
position was germany in my last match.
They were in the bottom right of the map
with no special resources and mostly
tundra and forrest fields. Expansion was
also impossible because the koreans
blocked the access to the rest of the
continent.

	13-11-2002 19:48									#48
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It's always a trade-off in civ MP though. If you have known maps you can avoid the problems you mention, but you also lose much of the need for exploration, and hence some of the need to react to the situation as necessary.

	15-11-2002 00:06									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka Again, I must reitorate (as proven in this thread) - that I don't bail out of matches, and therefore didn't bail out of yours. You seem full of sarcastic rhetoric as to why you won't play me, only underlining how sh*tty a player you truly are. Duel me now! In the eyes of everyone in this thread, don't prove a coward (ie.) NAH I DONT FINK ILL PLAY SUMONE WHO BAILS WHEN I BARELY DEFEND AGANST A WARRIOR HAR HAR!@#ed) Seriously though, I can't believe the ol' pillaging warrior trick worked against someone. You need practise, or perhaps a new brain, champ.

You are too easy, dude. How about realizing when someone is trying to get a rise out of you? I'll play you - when I have time for it, which probably won't be until after a patch - right now it's just not worth my time.

	15-11-2002 02:35									#50
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The logic for assigning starting positions must be fixed in order for MP to be a good experience for all, otherwise, the ratio of games quit in the first 5 min. will be extremely high.

I think every square in the immediate vicinity (2 sq radius) of each player should be given a point valu, based primarily on how it helps you expand or develop resources, and the point value for every player should be equal. For example - grass with shields might be 1 point, tiles adjoining river might be 1/2 point each, luxuries 2 points, horses 1 point, wheat 2 points, cows 3 points, jungle -.5 points etc.

I played a game yesterday evening as Ottomans right next to Egypt, my starting position was average - but not on a river or extra food tile, and found myself completely boxed-in by my human opponent by 1600BC, no thanks to all of the lovely cows nearby his capital.

	15-11-2002 06:27									#51
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quote: Originally posted by metalhead You are too easy, dude. How about realizing when someone is trying to get a rise out of you? I'll play you - when I have time for it, which probably won't be until after a patch - right now it's just not worth my time.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

	15-11-2002 10:46									#52
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I guess we can take that as a rise from Zylka!

I glad to see that you're both still corgial to each other.

	08-12-2002 23:26									#53
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zylka what time are you playing these days