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Thucydides is offline Thucydides
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Screw you guys, I'm going home.
Jan 1970
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Got spare money?

Interesting game. Does anyone know what eff. rating is, or how your score is calculated?

BTW, I'm Thucy in the game, originally tried Thucydides, but entered the wrong e-mail.

General Ludd is offline General Ludd
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Aug 2001
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Originally posted by SharpBlue
Grrrr....

Osweld, this little stunt of yours in my sector cost me over 1.5 billion credits. Not to mention about 100 turns. If I *ever* find your ship, I'm gonna zap you out of the galaxy, Federation Bounty or not.


(edit) I was just wondering if I actually destroyed your ship, I have three victories in my log but got no salvage or anything, where those just stalemates?

Glad to know it worked, anyways.

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SharpBlue is offline SharpBlue
BlackNova Traders Project Manager

Nov 2002
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Score is actually pretty easy to understand, and extremely accurate. It's the square root of your total worth. Just take all the worth of your cargo, planets, colonists, ship components, etc and square root it for the score.

Efficiency rating is your score divided by the number of turns you used to get there. Quick hack, but it's a good indication of your performance.

MarkG is offline MarkG
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SharpBlue, you seem to know a lot...

Lemmy is offline Lemmy
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The fun thing is that all these planets used to be Lemmy's, before I stumbled upon them. All 6 planets already had over 2M colonists too, so it was worth taking them.

Yeah, i made a stupid mistake calculating my defenses..
On another server i had 50+ million fighters/planet, and that was enough to hold of most people off...but i thought it was 50k fighters..
So at first i was quite surprised you had taken so many planets, but then when i upgraded my computer and torpedos, which was still cheap, i noticed the mistake i made..

SharpBlue is offline SharpBlue
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Nov 2002
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*cough*

Well yes, I do know a lot about BNT. Let's just say I was surprised to see it on apolyton a few days ago, when I came to check out on the latest MOO3 news.

If anyone wants to know why I know so much about BNT, just take a look there :
http://sourceforge.net/project/memb...?group_id=14248

So I just decided to hop in the game and blast a few ships out of the universe

SharpBlue is offline SharpBlue
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Osweld, no you didn't destroy my ship, though the sector defenses you left in the sector came very close... I had only 7,000 armor points when I was done with them, out of 225,000. Your planets would have destroyed my ship too, if you hadn't made the mistake of not supplying them with energy. Planets need energy to fire their beams and power up their shields. Without energy, only the fighters/torpedoes can defend it, and it's much easier to take.

The "ship destroyed" log message is a bug... A good way to know if you actually destroyed the ship is that the % of salvage will be non-zero.

MarkG is offline MarkG
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well, great to have you here SharpBlue

btw, what's the deal with the "selling comodities" options in the planets?

General Ludd is offline General Ludd
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Osweld, no you didn't destroy my ship, though the sector defenses you left in the sector came very close... I had only 7,000 armor points when I was done with them, out of 225,000. Your planets would have destroyed my ship too, if you hadn't made the mistake of not supplying them with energy. Planets need energy to fire their beams and power up their shields. Without energy, only the fighters/torpedoes can defend it, and it's much easier to take.


No, the mistake I made was putting to many fighters in there. Judging by the logs a third of them had decade before you logged on, and they had sucked up all the energy on the planets.

I got a bit carried away and put a million fighters in there before I bothered to look up how much energy they used. (speaking of which... there should really be alot more in-game help) I tried stocking the planets with energy but I didn't have enough turns, credits, or energy storage to do much good.

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SharpBlue is offline SharpBlue
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Wooo, I've been promoted from my rank of settler. Nice!

Planet selling is mostly useless in the current game. It used to allow other players to buy stuff from your planet, but now enabling it is suicidal, as any player could just buy all the energy from your planet and take it. The problem is that the game is modified rather often, so there's always some quirks that creep up. It used to be a good way to make money, as buying from a planet was cheaper than from a port, so for players it was a win-win situation.

It's also the same problem with documentation. It's a universal flaw of all Open Source projects. Writing documentation takes time. The game changes often. And coders are always terrible doc writers, we tend to assume everyone is as technical as we are. So it ends up that, even when we DO have some good documentation, it's 30% obsolete 4 months later, and the guy who originally wrote it isn't available for updating it, etc.

As for fighters, yeah they do drain up energy fast. I think the default is 1 energy for every 10 fighters you have patrolling a sector. Btw, there were still 580,000 fighters when I destroyed them. What you should have done, is make only ONE planet, instead of the three, then stock it up with your 900,000 fighters that you split up between the three planets. No way I could've taken a planet with 900,000 fighters on it. With slightly more colonists, and 100% energy production, you could've sustained your fighters fleet, stopping me from ever coming back to that sector. Then you'd have been able to take my best planet later, at your leisure. Someone else actually did that to me in a previous game.

So anyway, the problem with BNT is that it's fun in small doses. When you get down to it, the game is pretty basic, and once you've mastered it, it grows dull. There's only one viable strategy/build up order that gives the best results. We're working on it though. Next version is going to be... well, totally new. Ship classes. Planet facilities. It should look more like a cross between MOO and TradeWars.

MarkG is offline MarkG
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having more than one ship??


i've edited every .php file we're using on apolyton, but i think i'll refrain from further tweaking BNT in wait of your next version....

Thucydides is offline Thucydides
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Wooo, I've been promoted from my rank of settler. Nice!

Planet selling is mostly useless in the current game. It used to allow other players to buy stuff from your planet, but now enabling it is suicidal, as any player could just buy all the energy from your planet and take it. The problem is that the game is modified rather often, so there's always some quirks that creep up. It used to be a good way to make money, as buying from a planet was cheaper than from a port, so for players it was a win-win situation.


Thanks for point that out. Was going to do that for a sector in which people could buy stuff from my planet, but I'll just change it so that only my allies can buy stuff from that sector so nobody will take advantage of the fact.

Xentropy is offline Xentropy
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Dec 2001
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Tired of ads?

Well, the game looks interesting, but getting a popup ad in a separate window for DirectTV *every g'd time I look at a new sector* is getting old fast.

I mean, jesus, there's advertising and there's freakin ADVERTISING. What does this site cost you, Mark, $1 billion a month?

Game advances too fast for my taste, too. I mean, calculating net worth into the billions on day one (or the trillians if you know all the secrets like SharpBlue) isn't my kinda thing. A slower pace would be cooler, because it seems like joining even two days late basically leaves you in the cold for good.

Xentropy is offline Xentropy
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Oh, and Mark, or Sharp, dunno whether this is a game bug or a game settings bug, but organics production seems to be working wrong. At the same % production as goods and ore, I'm producing 0.2% as much organics. As if org is 1 per 400k colonists per turn vs. ore/goods 1 per 800 colos per turn.

Since org should be 1 per 400, not 1 per 400k, it looks like an erroneous divide or multiply by 1000 in there somewhere.

Kassiopeia is offline Kassiopeia
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Umm... I created an alliance, but can't seem to be able to invite people into it.

The Invite button on the Co-ordinating screen puts me on the Login page. I've read my messages and there was nothing about this (in case I had to accept an invitation as well, even if I was the Co-ord).

Edit - never mind, tried and succeeded on another browser (Opera -> Mozilla).

Liity Sisu-liittoon!

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aaglo is offline aaglo
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This looks interesting...

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It is. Once I got into it, I'm hooked

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Aaglo, you couldn't put it better.

BTW, has anyone seen the space beacon with the sign "Keep your hands off! :P"? Don't ask who placed it there.

VJ is offline VJ
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Dec 2001
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I am clueless, but that doesn't stop me


Repeat. I just spent over 100,000,000 creds to stuff - I have no idea what they're supposed to do.
Well... everything is at least lvl 13 for me now.

EDIT: 13, not 14.

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Markos,

as it's an experimental game, are we allowed to create a new account if and when we get destroyed "acciedentally"? Or do I have to wait until a new game starts after several months?

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it's experimental in terms of whether it creates load on the server and whether people are interested

now if you get destroyed you're not dead. i believe you can get back in the game with the same account

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Hey! I'm back in the game!



That means sleepless hours tonight.

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Invite me to your damn alliance, Kass.

Captain Darkness and the "Ragnarok" have just arrived!

(and I made 14 million last night...thanks lemmy )

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I'm playing BNT since 2 days and I've created a planet, found a good trade route, but I don't know how to colonize the planet...
Anyone can help?

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You have to create a trade route from a sector with a special port in ot to your planet, and edit your trade setting so that you buy colonist, fighters and torpedoes at the special port.

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You don't have to use a trade route, though perhaps I'm being inefficient by moving colonists manually?

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though perhaps I'm being inefficient by moving colonists manually?

Yes you are
Unless you got a huge ship, you'll need at least 10 runs to get some colonists, and fighters/torps for defense...heck, you need 10 turns if you already have a big ship (~level 20 hull, computer, torp launcher).

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You have to create a trade route from a sector with a special port in ot to your planet, and edit your trade setting so that you buy colonist, fighters and torpedoes at the special port.

Ok, I've created an other planet linked by a warp at a Special Port, but I don't know how to buy colonist...
NOTE: I have a level 13 of Hull, 10 of Computer and Power, but I cannot still carry 1 Colonist. Why???
Other questions:
How it's possible "claim" Space?
How many fighters/mine are enough to defend my planets?
Anyone has a list of interesting Sectors?

Lemmy is offline Lemmy
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[NOTE: I have a level 13 of Hull, 10 of Computer and Power, but I cannot still carry 1 Colonist. Why???

Are your holds empty? Are you not carrying any other cargo like Goods or Ore
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Other questions:
How it's possible "claim" Space?

You'll need planets with a base on each of them to claim a sector
quote:
How many fighters/mine are enough to defend my planets?

You can read SharpBlue post on that, 3mil fighters is enough to keep everyone of your planet, unless it's a really good target, then i'd recommend 10mil fighters, though that could go up as the game progresses.
quote:
Anyone has a list of interesting Sectors?

Yes
Interesting sectors for me are goods and ore ports, although deep space planets are also good, since they won't draw much attention, giving you a somewhat safe place to build.

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Thank, Lemmy...
I've found a couple of abandoned planets...
The problems is that I need a tons of credit to colonize them seriusly (I've only about 20000 colonist/planet) can you suggest me how to make a lot of cash?
Oh, nice planets (Elk,Deer,Antelope), very well defended...

 
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