07-11-2002 02:12									#1
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Please only vote in this poll if you are a member of the roleplay team.

It's time to decide, people. I've created this poll. It's multiple choice, so you can pick up any civs that you think we should play. Civ with the most votes is it.

Debate below, if you'd like.

--Togas

	07-11-2002 02:15									#2
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Hey, maybe you should wait on this. I heard MarkG is going to have the secure team forums ready by the end of the week.

	07-11-2002 02:17									#3
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Eh we are all adult enough to stay out of their affairs.

Arent we?

Let them decide. If worse comes to worse, they can do a PM vote.

	07-11-2002 02:23									#4
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I almost clicked on this beatiful poll. I had a flash of intelligence just before doing so... Maybe there are other poll maniacs out there ?

	07-11-2002 02:29									#5
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All 0s still, I'm amazed.

Away from our Ottomans you heathens!!!

	07-11-2002 04:32									#6
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I haven's strictly joined yet, but when/if I do, I will vote for either the Carths or the Spanish.

	07-11-2002 06:22									#7
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I have voted, fair ruler Togas

i threw in votes for the Spanish and Other

my other vote represents ROME

	07-11-2002 06:46									#8
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Just for general knowledge, I'm not voting, since I don't have PTW and am willing to let others decide .

-- adaMada

	07-11-2002 07:07									#9
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My other would be for the persians. However, I personally have no strong preference for any particular civ, just a couple of strong NO's to some specific ones, which are not in the poll.

	07-11-2002 08:01									#10
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I voted for Carthage...

	08-11-2002 01:28									#11
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For anyone who hasn't voted yet, this is a multiple choice poll, so you can choose more than one option and you can also post your vote if your civ is not listed above.

--Togas

	08-11-2002 02:01									#12
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I go with Celts and other...the Mongols.

	08-11-2002 02:07									#13
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I voted for Carthage and Spain, and I add one more vote for the Arabs.

	08-11-2002 03:01									#14
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I haven't voted yet... I'd just like to know a good reason why spain is being considered? Its UU on a Standard Map ( which is leading in the polls right now) will be useless by the time it gets used.

I hope it [isn't] just due to roleplay purposes...

Last edited by ruby_maser on 08-11-2002 at 05:16

	08-11-2002 03:18									#15
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Perhaps because the picture set for Spain's leader is the best in PTW ?

quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser I haven't voted yet... I'd just like to know a good reason why spain is being considered? Its UU on a Standard Map ( which is leading in the polls right now) will be useless by the time it gets used. I hope it is just due to roleplay purposes...

	08-11-2002 15:11									#16
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I don't find the Spanish UU will be useless at all.
At war time, they can go deeply in the ennemies territories in one turn (6 tiles !) to pillage vital ressources. Since they will oblige the other civs to keep well defended cities against the Conquistador's raids, the attack potential of our ennemies will be smaller. I think having 8-10 Conquistadors always ready to act will be the terror of our ennemies, and they will think twice before declaring wars against us.

	08-11-2002 20:04									#17
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Oh crap astrologix, that's good reasoning. I wish I read it before I voted--oh well.

I voted for Ottoman, Carthage, and OTHER

My OTHER vote is PERSIA! HOORAY PERSIA!

	08-11-2002 22:41									#18
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Oh crap astrologix, that's good reasoning. I wish I read it before I voted--oh well.

I'm glad you didn't read it before voting because it is wrong. The conquistador only gets a movement of 2 (whereas calvary and other units get 3) and it will be subject to the same movement penalties that other units have when going through enemy territory (which bumps it down to just two moves inside other teams' borders per turn) and they will cost 70 a pop.

	08-11-2002 23:15									#19
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser I'm glad you didn't read it before voting because it is wrong. The conquistador only gets a movement of 2 (whereas calvary and other units get 3) and it will be subject to the same movement penalties that other units have when going through enemy territory (which bumps it down to just two moves inside other teams' borders per turn) and they will cost 70 a pop.

they treat all terrain as roads...

	08-11-2002 23:16									#20
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you think that is gonna count for anything in enemy territory?

I'm gonna amend that statement because I think some people are thinking that those two moves that the conquistador gets turn into 6 because everything is considered a road and a road allows only 1/3 of a movement point. I believe what it means is that if the conquistador hits rougher terrain (ie: a mountain) on the first of its 2 turns, it still gets its second turn because the mountain doesn't slow it down, not that 1 move = 3 moves or why shouldn't they have just keyed it as 6 (which is so fast as to be ridiculous in light of the fact that tanks don't even get that)?

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	09-11-2002 00:49									#21
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it meas every tile has a road on it for it. it moves 6 spaces over ALL terrain.

	09-11-2002 00:51									#22
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He's right. Conquistadors are moving madmen.
They do replace the Explorer after all.

	09-11-2002 01:32									#23
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But in enemy held territory, no roads benifit units. Therefor, it stands to reason that they will only move 2 squares in enemy territory, but 6 in friendly or neutral, regardless of terrain.

Correct me if I am wrong, as I have not played with them.

	09-11-2002 02:11									#24
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well, I haven't played with them either, but I guess it was wrong of me to assume that Firaxis would be sensible enough to not have a unit with such a absurdly out-of-whack movement rate

Still, the issue that tipped this off was: can they benefit from that in enemy territory?

	09-11-2002 02:16									#25
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They treat all terrain as roads, even enemy territory. Sheesh, haven't you guys ever built explorers?

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	09-11-2002 02:26									#26
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quote: Originally posted by ixnay37 Sheesh

getting a little overdramatic there aren't you, Shakespeare. You can't prove sh*t to me with a tone like that.

	09-11-2002 02:36									#27
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Whoops, I forgot the smiley to show that I wasn't really all that serious.

	09-11-2002 02:40									#28
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now, that you mention it, so did I

	09-11-2002 03:01									#29
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Yeah, I think Uber is right--I messed up not reading the debate before voting
Oh well RL people every year around the globe (although most noticeable in the US) just vote for who's in their party, sometimes without even knowing any single issue (s)he talked about during the campaign. Besides, I know when all the members come to their senses Persia will win by a landslide.
ruby_maser: How could "sheesh" be serious and overdramatic?
Back to the point, I just remembered my spelling of it! Spam! Another good reason to pick Spam, so i can start the Spam News, or the Spam Gazette. Spam Enquirer, Spam Sun, The Weekly Spam...
Oh well I'll probably stumble across misspellings for all the civs. (It's how I found Spam--I just was typing and the s-p-a-m just rolled off my fingertips!)

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	09-11-2002 03:19									#30
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell ruby_maser: How could "sheesh" be serious and overdramatic?

maybe it wasn't as dramatic as if like this SHEESH!!!!!!!

Better?

[edit] ...but we are the roleplay team how can one be sure?