07-11-2002 11:12									#1
	POLL: How many think the expansion is worth buying? Increase the size of your Attachments

How many people are satisfied with their civ: expansion purchase? Is it just me or is the expansion kind of expensive relative to the game price? Granted, the original game was cheap so maybe it's ok.

KoalaBear33

	07-11-2002 13:08									#2
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I am glad I got mine.

	07-11-2002 13:10									#3
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If you like SP, yes.

If like LAN, PBEM, yes.

If you want INet MP, maybe wait a bit and see what the patch brings.

	07-11-2002 13:29									#4
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I like SP,
and assuming that my PTW will run now that I have reinstalled my WHOLE BLEEPIN' HARD DRIVE(!!) (see the 1.04 bugs thread, nobody had any advice to give) ...
I will have a great time while they improve reliability even on the SP mode of the game.

	07-11-2002 14:32									#5
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I want to buy it!

	07-11-2002 14:42									#6
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the expansion is way too expensive seeing that the mp doesnt work well and only the sp works (partialy...). as I said on my thread (locked by sys admin who care more about protecting infogames profits than our free speech)

for the sp only ptw isnt worth the price (no more than 10-15$) and until the mp is fixed you shouldn't buy it .wait till they finish making the repairs add 56k support and only then buy.

	07-11-2002 14:51									#7
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I have not bought it yet due to my living in the wrong part of the world, but I voted yes.

	07-11-2002 15:33									#8
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quote: Originally posted by dovlvn the expansion is way too expensive seeing that the mp doesnt work well and only the sp works (partialy...). as I said on my thread (locked by sys admin who care more about protecting infogames profits than our free speech) for the sp only ptw isnt worth the price (no more than 10-15$) and until the mp is fixed you shouldn't buy it .wait till they finish making the repairs add 56k support and only then buy.

Good. Hold your breath for me, would you?

	07-11-2002 15:54									#9
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Good. Hold your breath for me, would you?

THat was just mean

	07-11-2002 18:03									#10
	I bought it, and I love it! Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I concur with NYE's comments

Second, I liked the new additions (now I can play a male Industrious/Commercial Civ ) Seriously, there are some quality additions.

Third, the AI appears to be improved over previous versions, even better than vanilla with 1.29f patch.

Finally, the MP option was cool, and I knew that I might occassionally want to dip into that capability, but for the most part I primarily play in SP mode.

Also worthy of note:
Purchasing the expantion is a vote of confidence and a prayer for future improvements. If no one bought the game or its expantions, then why would they ever waste their time on improvements or new editions???

	07-11-2002 20:40									#11
	Re: I bought it, and I love it! Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by WarriorPoet Purchasing the expantion is a vote of confidence and a prayer for future improvements. If no one bought the game or its expantions, then why would they ever waste their time on improvements or new editions???

But if the game is buggy and sucks then buying the game will also tell the developers to keep doing the same thing...

KoalaBear33

	07-11-2002 21:02									#12
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I dont know if this will produce a flame, but i have the pirated version to tide me over until its out here.

I have it on pre-order, and own all the civ games (apart from call to power 2 which i thought was a bit of a gimmick).

It has great potential, and the multiplayer is really good when it works. I am glad they put more effort into design this time.

Buy it, if your from UK you can preorder it for £17.99 from www.play.com. Thats very cheap.

	07-11-2002 21:07									#13
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I can appreciate your position Sandy. No fowl in the long run, as long as you do honestly purchase a legit copy.

Kuala...you are free to rant about a game, but I'm saying rant constructively and buy the game...if you just rant, then why would things ever get better?

	07-11-2002 21:08									#14
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I held off from buying it for a few days, concerned about the mp problems.
But IMO the SP enhancements are well worth it, and I'm really enjoying the new candy (new units, new civs...)

I suppose people waiting for genuine MP have a right to be pissed off.
But frankly, when I think of all the hours of enjoyment I've gotten from this game for $50, I'm anticipating another $30 will be well worth it.

And, at the risk of re-igniting some flames, I am impressed with Firax's repeated patching. I feel like this company has proven it will take care of things.

	07-11-2002 21:12									#15
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Another quick note, it works under the transgaming windows emulator (winex), if your using linux. http://www.transgaming.com

	07-11-2002 21:19									#16
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In case anyone thinks im a scummy warez kiddy..

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	07-11-2002 22:44									#17
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Where's option 3?

It is way too early to tell. I only played a partial game. The extra buttons seem to be a bit much.

My problem is getting the game ready to play. So far I have too many unanswered questions.

If I can get:

1) manhattan as SW, and
2) me262, fw190 units working,

YES, if not, will have to see how it plays.
Curious to see what stealth range of 12 will do to game play.


-- PF

	07-11-2002 23:50									#18
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Qualified Yes. The changes to SP are good (The AI is stronger, and the new features such as stack movement and auto-bombard make the game go much smoother). The new civs are cool. Also, the TONS of stuff included for scenarios (like the awesome WWII units) are worth it.

I haven't tried MP except Hotseat yet (Hotseat, naturally, works superbly), but have read enough to know that yes, there are problems, but they also seem to be trying to fix them as fast as possible.

There are some drawbacks, too. The lack of editing diplomacy for scenarios makes any realistic historical scenario impossible. How could one have WWII if the Brits aren't allied with the French and Russians and the Germans with the Italians and Japanese?

Also, there is very poor documentation for some of the changes. A perfect example is the new way of adding custom units (see another thread I made). It's cumbersome and not obvious at all for the average player, and Firaxis should have said something about the change and given detailed instructions. Even if they had, I feel the process is unneccessarily arduous and could have been handled better via the editor.

I hope a future patch addresses the diplomacy and unit adding issues. Still, even without them, PTW is a pretty good addition to the game. Whether or not it should have included many of its features in the initial release--thus making PTW's cost very unappealing--is a matter of debate, I suppose. I think, compared to some expansions, PTW isn't really worth the cost.

	08-11-2002 00:33									#19
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Yes. definately. On SP I haven't experienced any problems. I haven't played multi-player yet, but, maybe this weekend.

	08-11-2002 00:56									#20
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I think it is definitely worth it. The new civs alone are worth the thirty bucks. But you also get new units, an improved AI, a more streamlined interface, a bunch of free extra scenario stuff, some new improvements and a new wonder, a bunch of great new game modes, some clever easter eggs, new tile graphics, and oh yeah, there's MP too.

Run out and get it immediately! It has to be amongst the top two or three best XPs ever!

	08-11-2002 01:24									#21
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The multiplay looks very promising, they just need to fix it :-)

	08-11-2002 05:08									#22
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I play SP, and I think it was the second best game I've bought, next to civ3.

one word smiley describes my feelings.