07-11-2002 14:49									#1
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I just bought Call to Power this afternoon. (Don't be fooled by the thread I posted in the Call to Power II forum - Harvey Norman didn't have that, so I said to myself, "Hey, why not try out the classic version?" ) I must say I like what I've seen so far. I'm the Brazilians (samba samba! ), still in the ancient era, and thus far it seems very much like Civilization II in some ways but very very different in others. I especially like the way the jungles look like jungles.

I'll post more impressions as I run across them.

	08-11-2002 00:41									#2
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Glad to hear that you like it so far .

	08-11-2002 03:27									#3
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and please..call upon those here who can answer questions,strategies and have lots of input...for many of us here willingly will share OUR learning curves

~Peace unto thou Newbie!!~

Just playful ribbing is all

No offense meant!!

Troll

	08-11-2002 06:00									#4
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Interesting Well, unfortunately you'll find that there's not much of a CtP1-SP community to share your experiences with but the MP community here is still *very* much alive... Also, there's really only one mod that's really worth the effort (MedMod), as opposed to the half a dozen or so for CtP2. But CtP1 is a good game as well, so I'm sure you'll have fun

Looking forward to your feedback...

	08-11-2002 06:15									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Interesting Well, unfortunately you'll find that there's not much of a CtP1-SP community to share your experiences with but the MP community here is still *very* much alive... Also, there's really only one mod that's really worth the effort (MedMod), as opposed to the half a dozen or so for CtP2. But CtP1 is a good game as well, so I'm sure you'll have fun Looking forward to your feedback...

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	08-11-2002 06:21									#6
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Thanks guys. I actually did run into a question just this morning.

I can't seem to get a treaty with anyone. Whenever I ask for one, they tend to say "I spit on your pathetic treaty" or something to that effect. The difficulty level is Warlord and I'm the second most powerful civilization. Any thoughts?

Also - are slavers worth it? I like the idea of kidnapping foreigners and forcing them to work in my quarries but I worry about slave revolts occurring or being incited.

	08-11-2002 08:36									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. President Thanks guys. I actually did run into a question just this morning. I can't seem to get a treaty with anyone. Whenever I ask for one, they tend to say "I spit on your pathetic treaty" or something to that effect. The difficulty level is Warlord and I'm the second most powerful civilization. Any thoughts? Also - are slavers worth it? I like the idea of kidnapping foreigners and forcing them to work in my quarries but I worry about slave revolts occurring or being incited.

I offer this advice.
Keep your word, if you agree to not tresspass, DONT
If you agree to attack an enemy of a civ's DO IT

The ai takes into account your integrity. Go Figure??

Also, try offering some gifts..i.e. small multiple amounts of gold, map exchanges,tech offers, ect.

Maybe that may help.

Good luck!

Troll

	08-11-2002 13:52									#8
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You can also seek help in the MP strategy guide.

What can be used against other humans can also be used against the AIs.

	08-11-2002 15:58									#9
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Troll,
You released a scenario? Where? I must have missed that - I would to see it...

Mr President,
It's been too long since I messed with CtP1 Diplomacy so I can't help you there but slavers are *more* than worth the while, probably the most powerful units in the game...

(Undocumented but *very* important hint: stack slavers with your armies when you send them into battle: if you win, your defeated enemies will be enslaved (you only get 1 slave per attack though) )

	08-11-2002 17:18									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Troll, You released a scenario? Where? I must have missed that - I would to see it... Mr President, It's been too long since I messed with CtP1 Diplomacy so I can't help you there but slavers are *more* than worth the while, probably the most powerful units in the game... (Undocumented but *very* important hint: stack slavers with your armies when you send them into battle: if you win, your defeated enemies will be enslaved (you only get 1 slave per attack though) )

Umm unfortunately, it was released nationwide, in Trolldom but however, all the little Trollies still have that on top of their wishlist

	08-11-2002 19:26									#11
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Ah, okay. I get it now Let me know when you release it into the realm of humans

	10-11-2002 11:46									#12
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Thanks, homeboys.

A couple of other questions have arisen, due to Harvey Norman, for some reason, selling Call to Power with a technology chart but no instruction manual.

How do I use the Workday, Rations, and Wages settings? I figured out that shortening the Workday and increasing Wages increases happiness. The former, though, seems to reset every once in a while.

When I check my intelligence on a civilization, it shows their personality type; for instance, the Americans I ran into today were Peaceful, and the Jamaicans were Slaver. What implications does this have for the civilization's behavior and relations with other nations?

Am I supposed to be almost off the power chart before the Renaissance? (Still on Warlord difficulty.)

Still about the diplomacy, my relations tend to deteriorate very rapidly. Is that due to not offering enough gifts, or to the fact that I was trying to befriend the "Militant" Turks and the "Slaver" Jamaicans?

* * *

A couple of other comments. I love Public Works and stacked armies; I'm really surprised they didn't use those in later Civilization games. I also like the Cities window that lets me copy and paste queues and manage all my cities at once.

	10-11-2002 13:49									#13
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MP, Worday increases Production, Wages increase happiness, decrease gold, and Food decreases food but increases happiness.

Those civs probably don't like you because you are sending a military unit into their territory. I always use stealth units (i.e. units with no ADRM) for exploring.

	10-11-2002 13:53									#14
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Oh, and regarding your question about Slaves:

Each military unit in the city can handle 3 slaves. So if you have 13 slaves in 1 city, and only 4 military units, your asking for revolution.

	10-11-2002 15:53									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. President How do I use the Workday, Rations, and Wages settings? I figured out that shortening the Workday and increasing Wages increases happiness. The former, though, seems to reset every once in a while.

They get reset to the default every time you switch government, because each government has different default settings.

quote: Am I supposed to be almost off the power chart before the Renaissance? (Still on Warlord difficulty.)

The power chart is dynamic so you'll never go off the top - unlike some games . But in the default rules you'll be in that position fairly soon even on Deity, I expect. Get the MedMod for more challenging AI.

	11-11-2002 11:47									#16
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Note on workday/wages/rations

Set wages and workday as high as you can, and if you still have the happiness to spare set the rations low. This will maximize your production and growth.

	11-11-2002 12:35									#17
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quote: The power chart is dynamic so you'll never go off the top - unlike some games . But in the default rules you'll be in that position fairly soon even on Deity, I expect. Get the MedMod for more challenging AI.

Yeah, I exaggerated slightly - in fact, I'm now second on the power charts in that game. Where would I find the MedMod?

	11-11-2002 15:13									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. President Yeah, I exaggerated slightly - in fact, I'm now second on the power charts in that game. Where would I find the MedMod?

http://wes.apolyton.net/ (The CTP1 MedMod is down at the bottom)

	12-11-2002 14:10									#19
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Ah, thanks. What sort of changes should I expect in the MedMod?

Something I've noticed is that the units don't seem to get much stronger as you progress through the ages. My Musketeer-Cavalry armies were being held off by Samurai earlier today , but then I got Mass Production and Tank Warfare and the increase in strength was almost exponential.

	12-11-2002 22:01									#20
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Yeah, the increase in power with tanks is infamous. IIRC the MedMod has roughly a 50% A/D/R increase with each age (and there are more ages than in the default game). It also balances everything, and generally makes many improvements to things that you didn't realise were bad before, including some things about the interface.

	13-11-2002 00:59									#21
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway Yeah, the increase in power with tanks is infamous. IIRC the MedMod has roughly a 50% A/D/R increase with each age (and there are more ages than in the default game). It also balances everything, and generally makes many improvements to things that you didn't realise were bad before, including some things about the interface.

Tell me something, does this Mod just install, or do you do it "manually" into a scenario directory?
Also, I believe only const.txt is the only file that you cant actually "Overwrite" in a scenario, being you will need to re-install the default if playing online?

Thanks

Troll

	13-11-2002 02:25									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Troll Tell me something, does this Mod just install, or do you do it "manually" into a scenario directory? Also, I believe only const.txt is the only file that you cant actually "Overwrite" in a scenario, being you will need to re-install the default if playing online?

It "just install"s to the extent that you must unzip three files in the right place. It overwrites not only const.txt, but quite a few AI files from the default game, which might indeed cause problems if playing MP, but it comes with copies of all the files it overwrites soit's easy to put things back to normal should you so desire.

	13-11-2002 04:48									#23
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway It "just install"s to the extent that you must unzip three files in the right place. It overwrites not only const.txt, but quite a few AI files from the default game, which might indeed cause problems if playing MP, but it comes with copies of all the files it overwrites soit's easy to put things back to normal should you so desire.

Thanks

	13-11-2002 05:54									#24
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I'm confused. I downloaded the MedMod zips from the WesW website, but I don't know what to do with them. There're dozens of files in each zip. The ReadMe files weren't especially clear on what to do. Any advice? (Don't feel you have to rush, as I have to get the zips onto my computer which doesn't have the Internet - a challenge seeing as they're all larger than 1.44 MB. )

	13-11-2002 12:09									#25
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Yes, the MedMod 4.13 is quite large.

3.1Mbyte, 3.3Mbyte and 3.7Mbyte .

When you unpack the scenario (remember to say YES if asked to keep the default folderstructure!!!!!!) - its mainfolder is called MedPack4.

This folder including all subfolders should be placed as next level to:

C:\Program Files\Activision\Civilization-Call To Power\Scenarios.

being like this:

C:\Program Files\Activision\Civilization-Call To Power\Scenarios\MedPack4.

Sometimes - if one makes a little mistake - the structure can look like this:

C:\Program Files\Activision\Civilization-Call To Power\Scenarios\Scenarios\MedPack4.

If so, simple move the MedPack4 folder and all subfolders one level up.

When you want to play the MedMod4.13, you have to manually copy the whole AIdata INCLUDING the AIPs subfolder to:

C:\Program Files\Activision\Civilization-Call To Power\ctp_data\default

and overwrite the AIdata folder and the AIPs subfolder. Don't worry - the default files ARE included in the MedPack, so you will have no problem to restore the default game.

The files can be found here:

http://wes.apolyton.net/

	14-11-2002 04:11									#26
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Thanks.

	15-11-2002 14:27									#27
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What is SLIC? How do you use it to your advantage? I ended up getting the Celestial Dawn Mod (simply because it was smaller and more manageable), and was wondering if there was a way to implement a feature I saw (I think) in the MedMod's documentation, something about automatically building units in new cities.

	15-11-2002 15:42									#28
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SLIC is a scripting language that allows you to create triggers to affect the game. The main docs are in the Apolyton modification section. You could add the militia code (I believe that's what you're talking about) to CD's mod, but you'd have to change quite a lot of it because it refers to units and advances which do not exist in CDs mod. If you've ever done any programming it's easy to work out what's going on.

The code in question is at the bottom of the MedMod's version of script.slc.

	16-11-2002 14:03									#29
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Oh, I see. Thanks again.

	16-11-2002 15:03									#30
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Actually, now that I think about it it would be harder than I said, because you'd have to create militia units for CDs mod too...

Last edited by J Bytheway on 16-11-2002 at 17:26