08-11-2002 09:12									#61
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Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -2.92

	08-11-2002 09:16									#62
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How did I get on the chart? I don't even recall ever taking this quiz...

	08-11-2002 09:43									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Viva Berlusconi y Aznar! I am part Sicilian by the way (on my dad's side and hench my last name Carini, which is the name of a town in Sicily)... my mom is Spanish and I was born in Spain.

Viva Berlusconi e Aznar! I am a Sicilian Spaniard! I have some family who lives in Barcelona. Io ho vissuto in Spagnola per diversi anni. Sono nato a Messina . E mai stato in Sicilia? Le e piaciuto?

	08-11-2002 12:09									#64
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well, we all know, that berlusconi is a corrupt and egoistical politician who will be the doom for the italian economy.

if you say viva berlusconi, you're helping his corruption. and corruption is a non-democratic and non-capitalistic thingy.

be right wing if you want - but keep to the (more or less) honest right-wingers (blair/hague, stoiber, etc.)

	08-11-2002 13:35									#65
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conomic Left/Right: 0.00
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -0.62

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	08-11-2002 16:05									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Uh no.. uninformed people originate from the left... where most other lazy people are... who want the government to everything for them... communists they say...

One day you'll realize that you are a slave of the capitalists... capitalists are nothing more than modern day aristocrats, who are out there to exploit workers, environment, etc... the only difference is that anyone can join this elite group (of course, the probability of joining is very slim)... the monarch is the politician and CEO/CFO/etc; the lord/baron/etc is the manager; the peasent is the working class/middle class...

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	08-11-2002 16:10									#67
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I wish we had more poll options like extreme left extreme authoritarian. There are so many leftist libertarians but I doubt many I would agree with on the issues.

	08-11-2002 16:11									#68
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Was anyone suprised by the results? Why? What do you think you are and what did you get?

	08-11-2002 16:15									#69
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Wow, this test is pretty informative....also shocked myself on where I stand.

Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -1.49


Therefore, I am a Leftist Libertarian...but not by much. I thought I'd be a Leftist Authoritarian.

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Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -7.13

	08-11-2002 21:48									#71
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quote: Originally posted by KoalaBear33 One day you'll realize that you are a slave of the capitalists... capitalists are nothing more than modern day aristocrats, who are out there to exploit workers, environment, etc... the only difference is that anyone can join this elite group (of course, the probability of joining is very slim)... the monarch is the politician and CEO/CFO/etc; the lord/baron/etc is the manager; the peasent is the working class/middle class... KoalaBear33

You are a fool... no offense but your views are extremely distorted. BTW, the middle class are the well off ones. In communism, or backwardism, the middle class is destroyed and everybody is made poor. It is your philosophy that destroys many countries and many groups of people. If it were up to me I would destroy and rip your beliefs apart like a pack of wild dogs would do when they catch their prey.

quote: Viva Berlusconi e Aznar! I am a Sicilian Spaniard! I have some family who lives in Barcelona. Io ho vissuto in Spagnola per diversi anni. Sono nato a Messina . E mai stato in Sicilia? Le e piaciuto?

I speak Spanish, can understand Italian but don't understand Italian.

Whoever said Berlusconi is corrupt... should get a clue. Berlusconi is a capitalist and will help Italy if he gets his plans accomplished.

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I thought he was a fascist?

	09-11-2002 01:01									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Fez You are a fool... no offense but your views are extremely distorted. BTW, the middle class are the well off ones. In communism, or backwardism, the middle class is destroyed and everybody is made poor. It is your philosophy that destroys many countries and many groups of people.

I am not a communist but you have been brainwashed by the neo-liberal capitalists. South America is totally ****ed up because of your capitalism... and compare present day Russia to the communist Russia (the economic dimesion only)... The reason you even think it is better is because YOU benefit while others are worse off. You have a very close minded view. If all you care about is yourself, then go ahead and support capitalism...

quote: If it were up to me I would destroy and rip your beliefs apart like a pack of wild dogs would do when they catch their prey.

Exactly what a fascist would say Keep trying... I'm prepared...

quote: Whoever said Berlusconi is corrupt... should get a clue. Berlusconi is a capitalist and will help Italy if he gets his plans accomplished.

That's right: get HIS plans accomplished... I don't follow Italy but we'll see how much better off Italy is in 10 years... let me make a prediction: Italians' unemployment rate will increase, their lifestyles will be slightly worse off, workers will have less power, AND Berlusconi will double his wealth in 10 years...

BTW, yes I am a fool... thanks for pointing that out...

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	09-11-2002 01:07									#74
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You forgot to mention, that when the middle class is wiped out and everyone is poor, EXCEPT FOR THE LEADERS.Those swine live a great life until someone kills them or sends them to siberia..Thats the commies for you. The are reapidely going to the dust bin of History..

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One for anyone who thinks little Georgie's running the country.

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	09-11-2002 01:09									#76
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Wow with all this communist, fascist, capitalist name calling going around it feels like the 30s.

Just curious, was Russia ever really communist, ever? What exactly was it, I always thought it was closer to fascist but I'll be damned if I could define fascism.

	09-11-2002 01:11									#77
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Early on Gsmoove, during Lenin's day. It is also a little known fact that for a while, the Soviet Union was the most democratic country in the history of the world.

	09-11-2002 01:11									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp One for anyone who thinks little Georgie's running the country.

Haven't we already dealt with that one already? I thought you better than such lame attempts Lazarus.

	09-11-2002 01:16									#79
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quote: Originally posted by gsmoove23 Wow with all this communist, fascist, capitalist name calling going around it feels like the 30s. Just curious, was Russia ever really communist, ever? What exactly was it, I always thought it was closer to fascist but I'll be damned if I could define fascism.

Dictatorship the leaders were rich and the rest of the people poor or dead. I think the Fascist's had it a bit better because if you were a 100% German .life was not to bad -Jobs-trains run on time -roads built etc. In Russia most had zip except long lines at any stores no autos etc.
Now don't say I am a fascist because I hate Fascists as well as Stalinists. The both groups deserve to be plowed under.

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Thats what I think of the Soviet Union EVER being a Democro. Dream On.

	09-11-2002 01:19									#81
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Monkspider, explain? Don't worry it won't be too OT.

Lame attempts at what? I thought it was pretty damn funny, but we all knew Bush was dumb as a bag a' hammers. That being said I've done the exact same thing

	09-11-2002 01:21									#82
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quote: Originally posted by gsmoove23 That being said I've done the exact same thing :embarrassed:

That's what I meant. It isn't good mockery. Laz should be better than that.

	09-11-2002 01:23									#83
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Well then sure but its funny

	09-11-2002 01:24									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Fez I speak Spanish, can understand Italian but don't understand Italian.

this is a good one a quote for in someone's signature.

but to translate it for you:

quote: io ho vissuto in Spagnola per diversi anni. Sono nato a Messina . E mai stato in Sicilia? Le e piaciuto?

i lived in spain for a few years. i was born in messina. have you never been to sicily? did you like it?

quote: Whoever said Berlusconi is corrupt... should get a clue. Berlusconi is a capitalist and will help Italy if he gets his plans accomplished.

i said that...

you're right, berlusconi is a capitalist. but he's also extremely corrupt. he's a corrupt capitalist.

why corrupt?
- he fires people from the national TV because they criticise him.
- he sends hitmen and blackmailers after judges and lawyers who are investigating against him.
- he changes the law so he can't be convicted of his crimes. e.g. he committed fraud x years ago. after the law he would be found guilty. but he changed the prescription to less than x years.

now if you still believe he's not corrupt, you're the biggest proof that propaganda works perfectly on not so smart people (to say it in a friendly way)

	09-11-2002 01:31									#85
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IIRC, it was something like -3 or -4 economic and -6 or -7 authoritarian.

'Course the poll is pretty silly in general since it categorizes social democrats as left libertarians.

	09-11-2002 01:39									#86
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quote: Originally posted by gsmoove23 Wow with all this communist, fascist, capitalist name calling going around it feels like the 30s. Just curious, was Russia ever really communist, ever? What exactly was it, I always thought it was closer to fascist but I'll be damned if I could define fascism.

it depends who's standard of communism you take.

what you americans learn, communism is that what is generally called "stalinism", the evil form of communism. but you were brainwashed during the cold war to believe that all communism is stalinism.

the "real" communism however is marxism. it glorifies the labour, aims on total equality and fairness. but marxism never worked. lenin came fairly near to it, but still needed a small bit of dictatorship to keep the dead poor russia happy (as we know from civ3, no luxuries means no happiness :lol.

present day communism (like the approx. 10% in france, 4% in germany and some percent in italy) is a very extreme socialism. mostly marxistic.

to all who are interested in these things: i'd recommend both "bibles": adam smith's "the wealth of the nations" and karl marx's "the communistic manifesto". both brilliant books, allthough both are more idealistic that realistic. both pure capitalism and pure communism never can work. there's always a need for market just as there's always a need for state.

	09-11-2002 01:41									#87
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Economic Left/Right: 0.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -1.74

more centrist than i'd like...

	09-11-2002 01:42									#88
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In the first years of the Revolution, The soviets (workers' and peasants' councils) were running the state and the economy and everyone was allowed to participate in them. All political parties were allowed to participate in soviet elections and debates and put forward their ideas. It is also a little known fact that the first Soviet government was in fact a coalition between the Bolshevik party and the Left Social Revolutionaries. The only parties not allowed were those which had taken arms against Soviet power.

Within the Communist Party there was the widest of democracies. During the discussion of the Brest-Litovsk peace agreement with Germany there were at least three different fractions within the CP with different opinions. One of them, the Left Communists, headed by Bukharin, even published for a while a daily paper, "The Communist", opposing Lenin's position on the issue!

	09-11-2002 01:43									#89
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There is a FAQ on the website that explains that the poll was made from a european standpoint where the definition of libertarian may be slightly different.

But the libertarian title refers to your stance on authority and its role in social life while the left, right refers to economics. I see no problem with this.

	09-11-2002 01:45									#90
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Early on Gsmoove, during Lenin's day. It is also a little known fact that for a while, the Soviet Union was the most democratic country in the history of the world.

Tell that to the Mensheviks.