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what political stance are you? (Time out:0 days after 07-11-2002, 16:56)
left wing / libertarian
left wing / moderate (between lib. and authoritarian)
left wing / authoritarian
centre wing / libertarian
centre wing / moderate (between lib. and authoritarian)
centre wing / authoritarian
right wing / libertarian
right wing / moderate (between lib. and authoritarian)
right wing / authoritarian
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after the picture-thread, the insanity-test and a lot of other community-questionings, here's a new one:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

credits to KoalaBear33 for this link

about the poll:
there are 2 dimensions:
> the classical left - right (left, centred, right wing)
> libertarian - authoritarian (libertarian, middle, authoritarian)

there is some interesting analysis of famous people (thatcher, ghandi, stalin, hitler, etc.)

have fun!

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i'm 0.12 (so basicly centre) and -4.87 (so clearly libertarian).

for politics i'm slightly left, while at economics i'm a bit more right (comes from my economics+computer science study ).

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Holy cow, -7.69, -7.75. I never thought I was an extremist.

All the british politicians are suprisingly on the right and authoritarian. A little confusing since I thought it was a basically socialist demo but I don't know anything, any brits have anything to say? I'm afraid to see where the american politicians end up.

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Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.77


Well colour me a light shade of vermillion then.

Where's the "Politics? Whassat?" option?

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I don't think someone can be left-wing and libertarian.

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It comes from our Labour PM, Helen Clark. She's certainly centre left, but is much less an authority figure than, say, Blair.

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-2.00, -5.54 (centre-left liberal).

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They talk about the libertarian left wing mix on the FAQ page. Its a largely american view that they can't mix supposedly go figure.

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economic 1.25
libiterian/authoritarian -5.64

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Holy cow, -7.69, -7.75. I never thought I was an extremist.

All the british politicians are suprisingly on the right and authoritarian. A little confusing since I thought it was a basically socialist demo but I don't know anything, any brits have anything to say? I'm afraid to see where the american politicians end up.


There hasn't been socialism in the UK for 25 years and even then it was "soft socialism" Compared to europes left wing parties our government is right wing compared to the US democrats it is left wing.

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Really? Shows how different views can be across the pond. I was amazed by your rail system and the universal health care of course. Good to know in some parts of Europe I might not be considered such an extremist.

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Let me get you in on a little secret: The poll results will be a lot of left/libertarians, some right/libertarians, and few isolated cases of authoritarianism. This poll has been brought up many times and it clearly is very, very skewed. I mean, even that weird Snapcase poll was more accurate.

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Really? Shows how different views can be across the pond. I was amazed by your rail system and the universal health care of course. Good to know in some parts of Europe I might not be considered such an extremist.


well some would disagree with my analysis.

BTW how were you amazed about our rail system, you didn't think it was good did you

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I'm left wing / libertarian

Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -1.85

But could someone please explain what neo-liberalism is?

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Stephanie,

It is indeed possible that there are a lot more libertarians here than authoritarians.

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-5.75 economic, -5.69 social. Leftist libertarian is no big surprise, but how I ended up farther to the left on economics is beyond me.

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Yeah, I could see why their would be a lot less authoritarians on an OT gaming forum.

I don't think the test is designed to get even results anyway. That being said it could very well be skewed, they only had glowing reviews on the web-site of course anyone search for some criticisms?

My experience in the US is that if you don't have a car your f****d, certainly if you're not in an urban area. I couldn't understand why the brits kept whining about it

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My experience in the US is that if you don't have a car your f****d, certainly if you're not in an urban area. I couldn't understand why the brits kept whining about it


Please explain what that means

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Perhaps another reason is people who find their marks close to Hitler and Stalin get highly upset and decide to forget the whole thing.

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I think, and if I'm mistaken I'm sure an armchair historian will be quick to put me right that awhile ago in US history the rail lobby lost out big to the auto industry lobby. So now we have nice wide roads that'll get ya anywhere and poor little struggling Amtrack. I am no expert on the matter though. I've always found it easier travelling intercity without a car to get on the stinkin bus then to take rail. That being said in New York City we have quite a good subway/metro(?) system.

In England and across Europe taking rail was a pleasant experience for me compared to busing it in the USA.

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I think, and if I'm mistaken I'm sure an armchair historian will be quick to put me right that awhile ago in US history the rail lobby lost out big to the auto industry lobby. So now we have nice wide roads that'll get ya anywhere and poor little struggling Amtrack. I am no expert on the matter though. I've always found it easier travelling intercity without a car to get on the stinkin bus then to take rail. That being said in New York City we have quite a good subway/metro(?) system.

In England and across Europe taking rail was a pleasant experience for me compared to busing it in the USA.


Sorry I understand now.

We like to whine about things its a national obsession

Our roads are crap too, the entire transport system is ****ed. The problem is we only live on a little Island and if we want new roads or rail lines someone has to have their house knocked down

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Yes your roads are crap.

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Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Authoritarian/Libertarian: 1.79

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I've voted left wing moderate while I should have put left wing libertarian
It wasn't extreme

anyway...

My score was

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.56

accordingly Ken Livingstone is my politician or should it be

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Apparently, eco: -3.25 and author: -2.97.

I've done that test before and have some problems with some of the questions, namely that they are either 1) stupid or 2) really open to interpretation. Two examples:

On environmental issues, thinking globally and acting locally is basically a good idea.
- I can't imagine anyone who would disagree with that, no matter what your political or social leanings are. It's a simple fact. How you implement such action may vary, but you can't be against the statement as it is.

One day, science may be able to cure homosexuality.
- Obviously, the key here is "cure", implying that homosexuality is some sort of disease. I personally don't believe that it is, but I wouldn't preclude science one day being able to come up with something (drug, etc.) that could change one's sexual orientation.

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I think you'll be suprised about what some people think on these subjects and thats the point of the survey. If you want to talk with people who think that homosexuality can be cured go over to the Miscellaneous off-topic forum. The thread title has something to do with goats in it.

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Apparently, eco: -3.25 and author: -2.97.

I've done that test before and have some problems with some of the questions, namely that they are either 1) stupid or 2) really open to interpretation. Two examples:

On environmental issues, thinking globally and acting locally is basically a good idea.
- I can't imagine anyone who would disagree with that, no matter what your political or social leanings are. It's a simple fact. How you implement such action may vary, but you can't be against the statement as it is.

One day, science may be able to cure homosexuality.
- Obviously, the key here is "cure", implying that homosexuality is some sort of disease. I personally don't believe that it is, but I wouldn't preclude science one day being able to come up with something (drug, etc.) that could change one's sexual orientation.


Read the FAQ, it will explain why people might find some qustions offensive

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My Score is -6 and -6.26.. exactly where I think I am...

Of many similar programs that I've seen this is the best that I have found. What this does is to sort of seperate polics from economics. This is the right way to do it IMO. Every econopolitical system is a either a political, economic, or a mixed system. Seperating it creates less confusion. Here are some examples of what I mean:

capitalism: pure economic system
communism: mix of economics and politics
fascism: pure political system
religious fundamentalism: pure political system
anarchism: mix of economics and politics
socialism: mix of economics and politics

As you can see, most of thse things can be seperated. For example, if you are a capitalist you are on the right whereas a fascist is on the right too (in typical left/right categorization). But the two "rights" don't share anything in common.

If there is any fault, I think the system doesn't clearly seperate the religion vs science stance. It asks the relevant questions but it is lumped in with the rest. Perhaps a 3rd dimension may be useful.

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As far as the score being tilted in certain directions, I can't say that it is necessarily wrong (although it could be--who knows?). Don't forget that this is from a European point of view. Some of the politicians listed there have been changing their positions. People are dynamic. As well, people in different parts of the world view things differently. For example, Americans consider their Democratic party as liberal/left whereas Europeans/Candians won't. The US Democrats are in bed with corporations so there is no way they will be considered left by Europeans.

In addition, people who are authoratarian will never disclose their scores or will purposely lie. For example, a sexist who abuses say his wife always pretends to support equality of the sexes. Unfortunately their idea of equality is women staying at home and listening to men. Similarly, a fascist will claim to support equality of races. Of course, their notion is to have pure racial states, often claiming to accomplish it via peaceful means (eg. expulsions).

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On Neoliberalism...

Neo-liberalism refers to modern economics. It's truly sad that the right stole the world liberal. Anyway, it is supposed to refer to economic policies that are more "open". For instance, neo-liberalism would be in favour of selling off national assets, opening up the markets, floating the currency, etc. Traditional (capitalist) policies, on the ther hand, are partly in favour of protectionism, fixed currencies, etc.

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Great post loin burger. Ugh, I'm far on the bottom left, I suddenly feel so lonely.

I am a little skeptical about a website that only post glowing reviews on the opinions page.

 
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