09-11-2002 23:28									#1
	Backup Copy Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

I'm trying to make a backup copy of my Civ 3. But, for some reason, even though the copying process runs perfectly (using clone CD) on a bran New dell, I cannot get the backup copy to play. It does enter the initial options screen (ie play it, view readme etc) but never actually enters the game. Any Idea as to how I can get it to work? I know that my computer is fine. I've even tried copying the game to high and low quality CD-r's as well as a good quality CDRW but it just wont work.

-Thanks

	10-11-2002 00:57									#2
	Inflate your Upload Space

Yeah, but I do not want to get into troube. Goto the support sites for clonecd. The virtual cd software sites also have that type of info.

	10-11-2002 01:21									#3
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

The anti-piracy protection of the game is precisely aimed at preventing cloning of the CD, that's why you can't do a backup copy.
(and yes, AFAIK it's an infringement of your consumer's rights)

	10-11-2002 02:06									#4
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Newer copy protection are very tricky to deal with. I doubt you'll ever get it to work with current CDR technology. (Now if only they'd figure out a good way to prevent warez)

	10-11-2002 02:40									#5
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Yes, not all burners are capable of making a backup copy with some games protections. Did you check on the clonecd site to make sure your burner was supported and was able to burn exact copys? Copy protection is worthless, just hurts the people who buy the game.

	10-11-2002 02:56									#6
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

IIRC the key is if your device can handle RAW or not. Anyway it is easy to get the copy to finish, but that does not mean it will work. Some will even let you install from them, but not play. Depends on the protection scheme and the method of the copy. Legally you are suppose to be able to make copies of things you own for your use only. The new laws may put that in conflict.

	10-11-2002 04:40									#7
	Remove this text

New laws?

In England the law still protect the consumers righs to create backup copies. Which is as you say, not possible. My issue is that fine if you can store the cd away after installation, but when you need to keep it out every time you play the game, the chances are it will get damaged at some point.

	10-11-2002 09:20									#8
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

It's easy. Just download a no-cd crack.

You install it and you replace the .exe

	10-11-2002 10:14									#9
	Increase Your PM Length

I was refering to the new millenium law. I am not well versed in, but it has some conflicting point that could over ride the ruling that had determined we were entitled to make copies of things were owned. That law has been interrupted to say that is no longer so. I am not sure of the finally disposition and no I am not a lawyer.

	11-11-2002 03:40									#10
	Increase the size of your Attachments

WTF!!!
copy protection?!!??!?! No fair man.
Damage to my Cd is precisely why I want a backup. I bought the information for 45 cdn dollars. Why the hell should I have to buy it again if my cd gets a scratch on it or something?? I constantly resist the temptation to buy anything illegal and this is how I get rewarded I guess thats what you get for believing in the goodness of mankind. Just like trusting Ghandi or the Japanese. THey'll screw you every time.

Either way, thanks for all the replies. I will try to go to cloneCD.com or download the no CD crack as Raiche23 has brilliantly recommended. They can take away my dignity, but they can't take away my freedom!! (or something like that)

	11-11-2002 06:42									#11
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Well the laws I mentioned do not pertain to you anyway as they are US laws. BTW they will replace any defective disk. I was using a no cd app, but it required you to have a full copy of the cd on disk and that got to be a huge drain of space.

	11-11-2002 06:43									#12
	Increase Your PM Length

im suprised someone from Firaxis hasnt got in touch with with Apolyton to close this thread yet

	11-11-2002 06:52									#13
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

We have skirted the edges.

	11-11-2002 12:32									#14
	Inflate your Upload Space

I have backed up my CD and I had no technical problems doing so. I never really read t hrough the EULAs and stuff but I thought that one is entitled to make a back up copy of his/her Game. Now did I do something illegal?! I thought that these CD cracks and stuff were illegal.

Now could somebody enlighten me?

So long...

	12-11-2002 02:03									#15
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Well Im not German, but in the UK you can use any means for creating a "personal backup"

I seem to remember SMAC not needing a cd, wonder why they do now, or perhaps its the publisher that insists on these things.

	12-11-2002 14:09									#16
	Remove this text

In Finland they're making a law that would render ANY copying for ANY purpose illegal. And it would be... um, backwards utilized? (I make copy in 1995, I'm a criminal in 2002.) Intelligenzia!

	12-11-2002 14:26									#17
	Inflate your Upload Space

I bought 2 copies of Civ3 (sold 1).

I play every game from a back up of the original, burned with a relatively new burner and software. Meanwhile the original sits pristine in it's sleeve awaiting the need to make a new back up if the first one goes to cd heaven (they do that, you know).

Where I am it is perfectly legit to make copies to use while storing the originals safely. They can pry my burner from my cold, dead hands.

	12-11-2002 15:03									#18
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Ok, so its country has its own rules and regulation but what if I buy a game in the States and install it here in Germany. The EULA is not even valid, how the heck am I going to know if I am doing anything illegal.

Well, I've had very few problems in the past with discs or CDs and I've learned my lesson to make a copy. I know that most of the time they would replace my copy but this involves money and time, besides the fact that they may not have the game anymore. I also do not think that if somebody makes one single back up copy for himself is going to be prosecuted in any way, at least not yet.


So long...

	12-11-2002 16:44									#19
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

I use FantomCD to make an image-file of the original CD and then mount the image as an virtual cd-drive. Works like a charm. An interesting side-effect is that I no longer have to keep the CD in the drive. It will spend some disk-space though but HD's are cheap nowadays.

It is also perfectly legal in Norway, unless I start spreading copies to someone else.

	12-11-2002 16:51									#20
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Tattila the Hun In Finland they're making a law that would render ANY copying for ANY purpose illegal. And it would be... um, backwards utilized? (I make copy in 1995, I'm a criminal in 2002.) Intelligenzia!

I agree that sounds ridicoulous. I reality it's not really a problem. If you made a backup copy in 1995, how could you find a system that's compatible in 2002?

	13-11-2002 11:32									#21
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Hey, it could be Giana Sisters for C-64, in floppies in the corner of my closet, and I'd still be liable for lawsuit.

	13-11-2002 14:58									#22
	Tired of ads?

In case of a defective cd, who is changing the cd?

Infogrames or the shop?

	14-11-2002 00:16									#23
	Suffering from ads?

Infogames, see the manual.

	14-11-2002 04:13									#24
	Put an end to popups!

quote: Originally posted by Tattila the Hun Hey, it could be Giana Sisters for C-64, in floppies in the corner of my closet, and I'd still be liable for lawsuit.

Sling it with my Katakis!