14-11-2002 07:28									#31
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Celts are taken

	15-11-2002 06:10									#32
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Poor b@st@rds

	17-11-2002 04:02									#33
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The Numidian Mercenary is powefull, but its FREAKING expensive.

	17-11-2002 17:12									#34
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With the Numidian Mercenary (30 shields), Carthage has at the same time an archer and a hoplite (40 shields). It's interesting........

	18-11-2002 01:59									#35
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30 = 40



Got a mathematical proof for that one?

	18-11-2002 03:33									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos Celts are taken

Nothing is taken, if two teams choose the same civ, we'll work it out before the game starts.

Who says Celts are taken? Has someone being sneaking into someone else's forum?

	18-11-2002 10:40									#37
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Well, at least BEFORE the private forums started, the Glory of War team was talking about being the Celts in plain sight

If you've changed your minds, then I don't know about it...

I'm saying the Celts are taken, but your correction is more accurate... However, I have absolutely no interest in being the Celts - so they might as well be taken as far as I'm concerned

	18-11-2002 16:29									#38
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quote: Originally posted by astrologix With the Numidian Mercenary (30 shields), Carthage has at the same time an archer and a hoplite (40 shields). It's interesting........

1 Numidian Mercenary = 30 shields (ADM = 2.3.1)

~ = ~

1 Archer = 20 shields (2.1.1) + 1 Hoplite = 20 shields (1.3.1)

as a result a Numidian Mercenary equals the force of these two units, "saving" 10 shields.


It'd be interesting to test the attack/defense force of, say, an army composed by 5 archers and 5 hoplites versus 5 numidian mercenaries.

	18-11-2002 17:48									#39
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quote: Originally posted by astrologix It'd be interesting to test the attack/defense force of, say, an army composed by 5 archers and 5 hoplites versus 5 numidian mercenaries.

Actually, the fairer test would be 3 Archers and 3 Hoplites (120 shields) versus 4 Numidian Mercenaries (120 shields)

	18-11-2002 17:52									#40
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Actually, the fairer test would be 3 Archers and 3 Hoplites (120 shields) versus 4 Numidian Mercenaries (120 shields)

I agree

	18-11-2002 20:55									#41
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Your answer Assuming all are veteran and on grassland:

Team with archers goes first:

Archer 1 dies, wounds Numidian 1 to 2 health
Archer 2 dies, Numidian 2 wounded to 3 health
Archer 3 dies, Numidian 3 wounded to 1 health

Hoplites fortify

Numidians fortify until all 4 are healthy

Numidian 1 dies, wounds Hoplite 1 to 2 health
Numidian 2 dies, wounds Hoplite 2 to 3 health
Numidian 3 dies, wounds Hoplite 3 to 1 health
Numidian 4 wins, is wounded to 1 health, and kills Hoplite 2

Now 2 hoplites (2/4 & 1/4) vs. 1 Numidian (1/4).

Hoplite 1 has at least a 40% chance of killian Numidian 4
If Hoplite 1 dies in the attempt, then Hoplite 3 will only have about a 20-30% chance of defeating the last remaining Hoplite. However, odds are that in the end you would have one Hoplite with 1/4 health remaining and victorious...

This of course is a highly risky attack for either party. I did this simmulation with the archers attacking first...in the other way, all of the Numidians would die attacking the Hoplites, leaving one badly injured Hoplite and 2 archers.

	19-11-2002 04:37									#42
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It's possible to just calculate the probability of all possible outcomes... by conducting only a single simulation, you run the risk of getting unrepresentative results.

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My post here is based off of experience...no better teacher...anyway, I bet my acceptance of the DG planet's name as Bob, that this is the norm. Surely, you would end up with a normal distribution with different results to the left and the right, however, I believe that what I have described would happen most of the time, iow would be the average result.

	20-11-2002 14:36									#44
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BTW, the true test should be how 4 Numidian Merecenaries work in, say, an attack against 2 spearmen and 2 archers (and theirs counter-attacks), versus the same attack made by 3 archers & 3 hoplites

	20-11-2002 18:18									#45
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I just had a curious random experience where a regular horseman took out a fortified full health veteran Numidian Merc ON A HILL!!!

I was quite disgusted to say the least...I would hope that this experience is exceptionally rare! In the same turn I had on Numidian Merc rise to Elite fending off 3 archers and 3 Warriors!...the AI attacked across a river...but still it was what I would hope to have happen!