11-11-2002 10:12									#1
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Well?

	11-11-2002 10:14									#2
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No

	11-11-2002 10:16									#3
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No, I am not French.

	11-11-2002 10:20									#4
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King of Apes, you location words are very funny.

KOTA in Greek means chicken (with all the secondary meanings it has in english)

	11-11-2002 10:22									#5
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In many ways, yes. I love America the country. That is, I love the various mountains and the people and so forth. But I am more than a little bit ashamed of the actions of my country and much of what my country stands for.

	11-11-2002 10:28									#6
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 King of Apes, you location words are very funny. KOTA in Greek means chicken (with all the secondary meanings it has in english)

Yep. On Russian KOT means "cat" and KOTA means "cat's".

	11-11-2002 10:29									#7
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Hehe. Well, it is better than chicken

It is funny because in Greek the whole location words translates to: " 'call me' chicken"

	11-11-2002 10:33									#8
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Hmm... why we threadjaked this topic?

	11-11-2002 10:34									#9
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Da, better let the people express their opinions

	11-11-2002 10:35									#10
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Thats interesting to know.

"Call me kitty"

	11-11-2002 10:43									#11
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It's difficult to be an American. Sometimes because of decisions made by Americans, but all in all I'm not ashamed of it.

	11-11-2002 10:49									#12
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God, are you still whining about the election, Tass?

	11-11-2002 10:51									#13
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If the spam keeps up, this thread won't last very long

	11-11-2002 10:53									#14
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I am half native American and half Whity, so yes, I am ashamed of half of myself

	11-11-2002 10:59									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Blisterz I am half native American and half Whity, so yes, I am ashamed of half of myself

I'm Irish, Choctaw and English. You think you have problems.

	11-11-2002 11:04									#16
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT God, are you still whining about the election, Tass?

Not quite Just wondering. Although there are still a few things I would like to say about that election.....

Anyway, I'm not ashamed of my nationality. I'm ashamed of some things my former government did, but not of my nationality.

	11-11-2002 11:13									#17
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Yeah,
I'm ashamed about certain politicians, societal traits, certain political opinions some of my fellow Greeks have, some culture "products", the state of some things in some cities...

but not of my nationality.

And I'm not so much ashamed about those things as I am angry.

But I would not be ashamed whatever nationality I had.

Not being ashamed of your nationality does not mean you are not a citizen of the world (like ol' Plato used to say) or that you don't believe in the universalism of man.

It is the same as any other nationality anywhere. What matters is the indivindual; and democracy.

	11-11-2002 11:15									#18
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I make it a policy not to be ashamed about anything over which I have no control and for which no fair person would judge me.

	11-11-2002 11:18									#19
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Some would say that you are in part responsible since you can shape (to a tiny degree? granted) the things your nationality does by participating in your countries politics/decisions.


So even though initial selection is uncontrolable, you still can have some responsibility for the "reputation" of your nationality since by definition you take part in your country's koina (life)..

	11-11-2002 11:43									#20
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Nationality: Where I was born, or Nationality: Ancestral?

Born american: Ashamed at times (more often than not, lately)

By heritage: French-canadian, Irish, German, Norwegian(Canadian/Norwegian largest 'parts'): Not really ashamed, although I am mocked for the Canadian-ness occasionally.

	11-11-2002 11:53									#21
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No, Greeks never were, are or will be.

	11-11-2002 12:00									#22
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As long as America keeps draining the best scientists, engineers, and scholars around the world, I'll be proud of America.

	11-11-2002 12:00									#23
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I'm not a nationalist, so what's the point of being ashamed of my nationality?

	11-11-2002 12:56									#24
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Sometimes.
I'm very proud of the culture I grew in, but I can be ashamed of my nationality in some circumstances... like when we speak of the last French presidential election, where the fascist Le Pen made it to the second round, and the crook Chirac won with 82 %.

	11-11-2002 13:21									#25
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No, I'm proud to be an American, although sometimes I'm very embarrassed, like for instance whenever I hear mawkish kitch like the song "I'm Proud to Be an American."

Despite a certain bunch of political leaders being morons and claiming temporary authority to misrepresent us, we are still a great exemplar of personal freedom and community, both things worth being proud of.

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	11-11-2002 14:26									#26
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No, and I don't think anyone should be.

However, I do believe that some things are greater and more important than nationality. (Hence the flag.)

	11-11-2002 15:08									#27
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Nah, being British is OK. I suppose.

	11-11-2002 15:49									#28
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Being Russian too, esp. drunk Russian as I'm right now.

This thread is silly, no one will never admit that his nationality sucks. I just can't imagine this.

	11-11-2002 16:08									#29
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> no one will never admit that his nationality sucks

Come to Eugene, OR on any weekend and you'll see 500 snot-nosed goofballs carping on how much America and Americans suck. (Of course, these are the same idiots who do a neocon 180 ten years later and then carp on how much everybody *except* America and Americans sucks).

	11-11-2002 16:31									#30
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Well, my country's flag is my avatar at this time. That should answer the question.