11-11-2002 19:14									#1
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My poor early units used to be allowed to hand in their weapons to be beaten into shield plowshares and to retire gracefully into whatever occupation they wanted.

Now, they die an ugly death that causes my wife to ask why I executed that guy

Cleverly, I moved to the F3 screen to disband them there where I didn't half to watch. It was like hearing torture in the neighboring dungeon as they cried out in agony.

Am I missing the point or is this an unfortunate PTW change??

	11-11-2002 19:46									#2
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A very unfortunate one. I hated this feature in CtP2 and was glad it was not in Civ3. Now I have it back. Oh well, there's a workarond. Switch your screen temporary off and mute your speakers .

	11-11-2002 20:06									#3
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What do you mean? What happens if you disband a unit when playing PTW?

So long...

	11-11-2002 20:42									#4
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It groans with pain as if it's slaughtered in an atrocious way.

	11-11-2002 21:50									#5
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Just start a war with someone and send your obsolete units in first. At least that way they'll "retire" honorably on the field of battle.

	11-11-2002 22:07									#6
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@Berduin;

If you do this under republic or democracy, it will add to war weariness.

	11-11-2002 22:08									#7
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Also, you won't get the free shields.

	11-11-2002 22:17									#8
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I think he was joking...

	11-11-2002 23:16									#9
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How can one joke about something as serious as this, Joseph Stalin would of known how to sort this out.

	11-11-2002 23:50									#10
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quote: Originally posted by candybo I think he was joking...

Congratulations, you win a cookie.

	12-11-2002 00:13									#11
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I wasn't commenting on the starting a war comment, I did realise he was joking

I was just mentioning the fact that using units as canon-fodder is not a very good idea.

	12-11-2002 15:17									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph It groans with pain as if it's slaughtered in an atrocious way.

Isn't that sick? I always saw the disband command as a retirement command:

"Go on now, retire. Have no worries we'll take care of you for the rest of your natural life as you have done before for others."

So long....

	12-11-2002 16:12									#13
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There is no need for senseless torture & killing. I always saw disband into shields just as it appears...

"We need something to help fill up the foundation for this new university & since your services are no longer required your body will do just fine."



Seriously, they should have kept the yelling & screaming for the more "use your whip" governments.

	12-11-2002 16:57									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Pyrodrew There is no need for senseless torture & killing. I always saw disband into shields just as it appears... "We need something to help fill up the foundation for this new university & since your services are no longer required your body will do just fine." Seriously, they should have kept the yelling & screaming for the more "use your whip" governments.

That's how I use most of my slaves after the railroads are done: Landfill in the construction of city improvements.

	13-11-2002 12:38									#15
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You get, what, whole two shields from a worker? You need hordes of them... Then again, after millenia of razing wars, you might have hordes!

How much production would one need to "turn" conscript mech into vet in one turn? (draft, disband in building city, so it is finished in one turn)

	16-11-2002 07:26									#16
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quote: Originally posted by jshelr My poor early units used to be allowed to hand in their weapons to be beaten into shield plowshares and to retire gracefully into whatever occupation they wanted. Now, they die an ugly death that causes my wife to ask why I executed that guy Cleverly, I moved to the F3 screen to disband them there where I didn't half to watch. It was like hearing torture in the neighboring dungeon as they cried out in agony. Am I missing the point or is this an unfortunate PTW change??

I think I have a solution. Mod it in that way: Change the population costs for each unit to at least one and give them the ability to join. So everytime you build a unit your population will decrease by one. But when you want abandon them you can join them anywhere. There should be many cities where you can join them because most cities will have a low low low population.

But for a holy man like you that price cannot be so high

	16-11-2002 23:29									#17
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Oh, I think I'll like this change.

	17-11-2002 02:12									#18
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Just record over the 'groan' sound, and make it something more pleasant! Or even a blank sound, or try deleting it! I don't have civ3ptw, and this is quite surprising to me! I always think of it as lots of people do here: retirement.

In the dictionary:

Verb: Disband
1. Cause to break up or function, as of groups and organizations
2. Stop functioning, as of organizations or groups

No2 is the one: to stop functioning. Not to murder the unit!

	17-11-2002 08:32									#19
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Hey, some people hate retirement... It's a tragedy for them. That's why they groan.

	17-11-2002 14:00									#20
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Most of the units in Call to Power just fade away when you disband them. I like to think that they go home to farm and play football.

	17-11-2002 22:59									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. President Most of the units in Call to Power just fade away when you disband them. I like to think that they go home to farm and play football.

"Oh, damn... three centuries of good services and now they simply tell me that I'm not needed anymore! They gave me this stupid medal! This isn't fair!"

"Honey, I think that the lawnmower is broken..."

"AAAAAARRRGHHHHH!"

	19-11-2002 01:09									#22
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Is the groan a sad groan? 'Cause maybe alexmn is right!

	19-11-2002 01:29									#23
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Maybe he's groaning, then dying..... in ectasy

	19-11-2002 17:59									#24
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Sometimes, when a unit has performed bad on the battlefield, I pretend I execute him as a dettering effect on the other units...makes more real...

	19-11-2002 18:40									#25
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quote: Originally posted by ChairmanYang Sometimes, when a unit has performed bad on the battlefield, I pretend I execute him as a dettering effect on the other units...makes more real...

Truly Yang-ish...

	24-11-2002 00:53									#26
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hi ,

they probably never had the time to work on this when firaxis made the game , .....

well it could be fixed with ease , so why not firaxis

have a nice day

	24-11-2002 05:43									#27
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well... disband actually means desmiss, discharge, decruit, displace, demobilise, etc. ... so it's got nothing to do with killing them.

but then, maybe it's like giving them a chance to retire but kill them because of desertation

	24-11-2002 10:55									#28
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Think the groans are bad when you disband human units? Try disbanding cavalry and listen to the horses whimper. A glue factory animation would be an improvement.