13-11-2002 09:11									#1
	Small Wars Increase the size of your Attachments

Now I realize that this may be a minor faux pas in judgement; but I think it would be cool if you could particpate in small wars. In other words, you could send in troops to a nation without a declaration of war. You could only do this if your civ is a age above another civ and you have a active trade deal. So, theoreticly you could send in troops to protect the resource, during anarchy to "ensure a fair change of goverment", or to install a new gov by demanding a change in exchange for leaving.

	13-11-2002 09:24									#2
	Re: Small Wars Get a bigger avatar today!

quote: Originally posted by trevor Now I realize that this may be a minor faux pas in judgement; but I think it would be cool if you could particpate in small wars. In other words, you could send in troops to a nation without a declaration of war. You could only do this if your civ is a age above another civ and you have a active trade deal. So, theoreticly you could send in troops to protect the resource, during anarchy to "ensure a fair change of goverment", or to install a new gov by demanding a change in exchange for leaving.

	13-11-2002 09:44									#3
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I don't mean to be rude, but WTF? How would you do that in Civ?

	13-11-2002 11:07									#4
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Well, I'm not sure how you would wage a pseudo war with a state you were getting a resource from (why would you need to?). I've fought a war to keep trade routes with other Civs open (i.e. Civ A supplies me with a needed resource or luxury, Civ B is between me and Civ A, Civ B declares war on Civ A and interrupts my trade route with A, I am not allied with Civ A but I start a limited war to secure a Civ B free zone between me and Civ A as a trade corridor).

Interesting idea, but I don't see it as working very well with civ.

	14-11-2002 05:45									#5
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It could be done if the Firaxis people were to give us extra diplomacy options. For instance, you could have a situation where you engage in a limited war, like that described by Cyclotron, but instead of just making a "Civ B" free zone, if you really pound them you could go into the Diplomacy screen and offer them peace in exchange for ending their conflict with your trading partner!
Another diplomatic option, which I think would be cool, and related to this thread, would be a "we don't like your current form of government, have you considered changing to....."
Another option, such as that suggested by trevor, would be to go in and whoop your neighbour for a bit and leave your troops occupying key resource squares, then go into diplomacy and say that you will exchange the removal of your troops for a change to your preferred government type. The point I'm making, I guess, is that all of this is currently doable within the current Civ3 format, and would not have to wait until Civ4 .

Yours,
The_Aussie_Lurker.

	14-11-2002 06:13									#6
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

So I'm in a science race with some other superpower, and suddenly I get a message from him:

"We don't like your democracy, have you considered changing to despotism?"

	14-11-2002 07:17									#7
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Hey Cyclotron, it's been known to happen-just ask the former governments of Chile and Guatemala!! .

Yours,
The_Aussie_Lurker.

	14-11-2002 13:40									#8
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I like the idea but it's too complex to implement in the game. I'd like to see a more complex and better diplomacy before we come to that.


So long...

	14-11-2002 21:29									#9
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I agree with the general concept BUT it should simply be that you're successful into showing that the war is not your fault but the other country's fault or something... There should be a way to do stuff like that by propaganda. Public opinion should have more important in Civ.

	14-11-2002 23:12									#10
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If only you could implement no-fly zones, DMZs, Police actions... Great for the nuclear age. Keep it small or I press the button!

	16-11-2002 02:57									#11
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Oh, I hever though this could be done in Civ 3; getting a good editor was (is?) hard enough. Like gsmoove said, this is really only for the last two ages. It would be a great help to playing a imperialist power.