13-11-2002 15:49									#1
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Step right up and sign up.

There are 3 schools. Economic, Tactician, and Diplomat.

Each member may sign up for 2 of the schools. Each school decides on a leader (or chief) to guide the Player(s). All of the members of the school help the Chief to formulate the plans for their area. The Economists is where most of the work is, but the Diplomats have to put out too. The Tacticians either bring home silver for alva to polish, or they might as well not come home.


The Economists: they run most of the show.
alexman
Arrian
asleepathewheel
FrustratedPoet
ManicStarSeed
nbarclay
Randolph
Sir Ralph
Velociryx
Conqueror

The Tacticians: they think they run the show.
alexman
Arrian
Dominae
FrustratedPoet
Meshelic
nbarclay
Randolph
Sir Ralph
Theseus
Velociryx
alva848
Conqueror

The Diplomats: they tell the rest of us what to do.
alva848
asleepathewheel
DeepO
Dominae
ManicStarSeed
Meshelic
zeit

People assigned:
alexman
alva848
Arrian
asleepathewheel
DeepO*
Dominae
FrustratedPoet
ManicStarSeed
Meshelic
nbarclay
Randolph
Sir Ralph
Theseus*
Velociryx
zeit*
Conqueror

People unassigned:
notyoueither
OPD

* 2nd pick pending

Last edited by Meshelic on 26-11-2002 at 02:44

	13-11-2002 15:53									#2
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Looks like I'm up first, eh? I've already stated occasionially in the threads and in our chat that I have leanings towards Diplomatic and Tacticians and shall sign up accordingly.

ahem .....please put me down for Diplomat and Tactician...thanks

	13-11-2002 17:40									#3
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I'm up for Tactician and Economist.

(That should be militaristic and industrious, and thus, I'm a Chinese )

	13-11-2002 18:01									#4
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Two Schools?
If we're each in one school (as I think we should). I'll go with economist.
If we're each going to be in two schools than economist, and tactician.

	13-11-2002 22:42									#5
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Randolph, we decided in the chat to have each person in two schools. If we can only choose 1 school each then they will be hardly anybody in each one (since we only have 13 players, and not all of them will be active all the time).

I'd like to be in the Tactical and Economy schools too. My biggest problem in SP Civ is that I never trade often enough of well enough, it's best that I don't act as a diplomat.

	13-11-2002 23:58									#6
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ahhh the chat (damn connection)

sounds good

	14-11-2002 00:32									#7
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Remember that the Chief's from the Schola's in essence should have 3-4 members below him to provide discussion, ideas and advice. That is of course the basis of the schola's in the first place.

	14-11-2002 04:09									#8
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It would seem that politicaly wise no one should pick being a member of only one school, as being a member in two schools means you can vote for leaders on two schools, promote your actions in one school with that of the other and being overall more influencial- However, since i rather being Diplomat than a politician- Sign me up for the Diplomats.

And to quote the wise Sun Tzu, that his compilation of "The art of War" should not only serve as a guide for the tacticians, but also for us the diplomats: "How to achieve that which foils the foe's ploys, and prevents his victory- that is a feat thet commoners cannot understand. Every man can see those tricks i use to triumph, but no man can see that strategy which leads me to victory"

This was written in the context of the basics of ploys and tricks, and this gets to the bottom of it, and makes the Diplomacy school different from the Economist and Tacticans- the first are concerned with analysis and problem definition, the second are with- what is the best course of action to achieve this goal or that goal, and diplomats are the strategists, that make the connection between the two other schools.

That was pretty much philosophical- but it would be interesting to see how this really turns out- will we see different schools have different attitudes in the process of decision making in the inter-school discussion that reflect those differences?

edited: missing word.

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	14-11-2002 04:14									#9
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good for you zeit! I was afraid Mesh would be the only diplomat.

we need more than two of you, though. if nobody else comes forward I'll change my choice to give you guys a hand, but I'd rather not as I wasn't joking when I said I was terrible at diplomacy

( "FP in 'not joking' shocker" )

	14-11-2002 04:19									#10
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Hey FP, if you join us and suck badly- you could always call yourself FrustratedDiplomat...

	14-11-2002 04:22									#11
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Or perhaps ReluctantDiplomat.

	14-11-2002 04:22									#12
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I'll sign up as:

economist

diplomat



not claiming I'm adept at either, but will help balance groups out :P

	14-11-2002 05:16									#13
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quote: Originally posted by zeit It would seem that politicaly wise no one should pick being a member of only one school, as being a member in two schools means you can vote for leaders on two schools, promote your actions in one school with that of the other and being overall more influencial- However, since i rather being Diplomat than a politician- Sign me up for the Diplomats.

Alright someone to help beef up the diplomatic end!..
But Zeit really you should sign up for another school....it would help you out by giving your vote more impact and help the team out as well. I also think that being a part of a schola that you may not be used to or very good at will help you to learn better through being around other experienced players...

That's one of the reasons I joined Tactician. I'm good in SP tactical things, but haven't done it ever in a Democracy game. So it's new to me but I'd like to see how I can improve my skills.

I'm hoping to learn from this, too! And I hope everyone else learns from this somehow as well...

quote: Originally posted by Zeit That was pretty much philosophical- but it would be interesting to see how this really turns out- will we see different schools have different attitudes in the process of decision making in the inter-school discussion that reflect those differences? edited: missing word.

Not sure what you mean but this might help. Seeing as how all the members in this team will be divided into 3 schools of 4 or 5 people each, then if the members of those schools wish to join forces and influence a particular vote then they can, and if that's close to what you mentioned I'm glad you did.

The schools are mostly a learning tool, but also serve as a unique way to elect the ministers; for example : all the guys 'trained' in Diplomacy elect a 'speaker' or 'chief' to represent the foreign ministry, while the remaining 'students' act like his deputies in a way, helping him with jobs, this and that, etc.

As far as schools influencing votes, I'm not sure how that would work out. Since every member is in two schola's (presumably) then the impact of schola's siding with each other or against each other is lessened overall, because everyone in a way has two votes....

this sound right?

	14-11-2002 12:11									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Meshelic But Zeit really you should sign up for another school....

He did. He joined the tactical school, although he called it Strategy. I think that's what he meant.... Zeit?

	14-11-2002 16:22									#15
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Actually i didn't join any other school, what i meant was that the way i see it Diplomats are more aligned towards Strategic thinking, Tacticians are towards tactical thinking and Economists are more into analysis and breaking down a problem to its basic components/varibales. What i might find interesting to observe is: Are our diplomats going to influence more on the startegic part of decision making- What are main goals should be over long periods of time or what is our policy towards pillaging cities for example. Are the representatives of the two other schools will reflect oter approaches towards issues like: the Economists will come with a report regarding corruption and revolts in future occupied cities compared to where we stand or will stand if we sack the cities, all the while the tactician will try to influence in the practical matters, at the field level- how many units we should assign to attack on this city or that city if we plan to sack/keep the city.

Does this make more sense?

Oh, and i rather stick with Diplomacy school, but thank you Meshelic for your encouragement. As you said- schools are for teaching and learning, and as such i don't think i see them as a real decision making bodies, and if they are, i rather concentrate my efforts in one of those, in this case, the Diplomacy.

	14-11-2002 16:33									#16
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As I see them;
beeing a rather small team, we all at one point or another will have to be masters of all trades anyhow.

The three scola's are all branches of the same tree,
The same core, differently spiced/accents.

Now how's that for imagery

	14-11-2002 16:41									#17
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We are three legs of a stool. All are important to keep the aparatus erect.

I am very pleased to see the Diplomats gaining members.

	14-11-2002 23:44									#18
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Question re: economists

do we determine how the land will be worked? citizens to be managed?

Who will determine the science researched, the economists or the tacticians?

how will the groups work together when analyzing trade issues?

Have these questions been answered in another thread?

	14-11-2002 23:49									#19
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science is by group concensus

working together 'should' come natural, seeing you are in the scola's
trade:= big issue=group thing?

	14-11-2002 23:57									#20
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quote: Originally posted by alva848 science is by group concensus working together 'should' come natural, seeing you are in the scola's trade:= big issue=group thing?

That's pretty much what I was thinking, that on the big issues, everyone would be able to opine. That the groups are loose when it comes to the big picture. The micro issues are covered by the schools-what tile to mine, where to move scout 1, etc.

	15-11-2002 01:36									#21
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Economist
Tactician

I guess. I'm not entirely sure what each group will control. I intend to post my views/suggestions in all areas, while I have no intention of becoming a leader of any of the schools.

-Arrian

	15-11-2002 01:40									#22
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to be honest, I've forgotten exactly what each school is supposed to do.

We discussed it in chat, but I don't have the log.

NYE? Somebody?

	15-11-2002 02:12									#23
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Hmmm I'll leave the *official* response to NYE, but in simplest terms I think it goes somewhat like this.

Tactical Schola - Heads up the areas of city construction (settlers), commanding military units, naval units, etc.

Economical - connects cities with construction of roads, irrigation, mines, etc. (Infrastructure) , adjusts luxury bar, domestic duties

Diplomatic - foreign affairs, deals solely with human players (and AI of course) , helps draft government plans

The President is voted from one of these and Science is decided by ALL

	15-11-2002 03:44									#24
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I'll dig up the logs when I get home and post a summary.

	15-11-2002 03:48									#25
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I sorta feel like Arrian... everything counts.

Tactical, definitely. Either of the other two, where ever we need help.

	15-11-2002 03:48									#26
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Signing on for Tactical and Economic....

-=Vel=-

	15-11-2002 04:03									#27
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Diplomats:
Feel free to ask any of us for help if you feel you have too much work to do by yourselves. I'm sure one of us will come to lend you hand. I wouldn't want to see the 3 of you get swamped with responsibilities.

	15-11-2002 04:08									#28
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Tactics 101 and Economics 102 for me please...

	15-11-2002 04:47									#29
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On the diplomatic end I think we'll do fine with only 3 members. Most of the other schola's need more members since they have more to do with the actual running of the government and the civ we lead.

Diplomatically I'd say we have a fine team and we're solid. I would not mind one more member to join in on the Diplo Schola, but then again it's not really a HUGE need. I'm sure that asleepatthewheel,zeit and myself can make great gains in that area.

	15-11-2002 08:28									#30
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For the moment, I'm going to wait to see what I want to do. Of course, tactics and economics seem to be obvious choices for me, but diplo has it's lures as well... allow me to wait so that I can read up here a bit more... it's too late now to fully read this forum, most likely it'll have to wait for the weekend.

And whatever I might chose, you can expect some comments on all things when I feel I need to give one. Plus, no, I'm not planning to lead any of these either, I want to advice, not stear the game.

DeepO