14-11-2002 16:50									#1
	OFFICIAL (really!): Switch to Democracy IMMEDIATELY after GA Ends? Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

The previous poll was invalid because there is no such thing as an "official quickpoll". Official polls, especially for things required in the CoL to be passed via official polls, are required to run a full 72 hours at minimum.

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It is my intention to run Friday's turnchat from 940 A.D. through the end of the Golden Age (we believe in 1000 A.D.).

At the moment I get the message that the Golden Age has ended, I will save the game and the chat will end.

This poll affects whether initiating a switch to democracy will, within reason, be the very next action take - and must be within the same turn.

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Should the switch to democracy be made immediately after the Golden Age ends?

1. Yes
2. No
3. Abstain

This poll will last a full 72 hours.

Last edited by Arnelos on 14-11-2002 at 18:38

	14-11-2002 18:30									#2
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Absolutely rediculous!!!!!

That timing is early in the turn. This will MAXIMIZE the worker delay penalty for Anarchy.

The objective would be to have as many workers either
.) be logically 'arriving at site' ie moving. Anarchy effects worker task speed only.
or
.) be stacked and executed that turn so that the improvement completes immediate. completion immediate workers will have spent their turn so the Anarchy effect will not apply.

Once the completion imediate worker activities are done, then it will be reasonable to switch if our august senators decide on such a course (which I oppose but know that I am p***ing into the wind)

	14-11-2002 18:33									#3
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quote: Originally posted by roadcage Absolutely rediculous!!!!! That timing is early in the turn. This will MAXIMIZE the worker delay penalty for Anarchy. The objective would be to have as many workers either .) be logically 'arriving at site' ie moving. Anarchy effects worker task speed only. or .) be stacked and executed that turn so that the improvement completes immediate. completion immediate workers will have spent their turn so the Anarchy effect will not apply. Once the completion imediate worker activities are done, then it will be reasonable to switch if our august senators decide on such a course (which I oppose but know that I am p***ing into the wind)

Sounds good enough ("immediate").

	14-11-2002 18:41									#4
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roadcage,

The wording you objected to was not in the wording of the actual poll, but rather in the section of explaining what the poll results might be interpreted as by the administration.

You are correct to point out that this interpretation of the popular will in voting for the word "immediate" would be unreasonable. I removed I think 2 words from the statement on how we'd likely interpret the results - fair enough. This is something that should have been caught when I posted the poll - THANK YOU.

(only 3 votes have been cast so far, 2 of which are ours )

Last edited by Arnelos on 14-11-2002 at 18:46

	14-11-2002 18:54									#5
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That's not what I mean by completion immediate.

imagine the example

1 worker and 1 slave on barren grassland
3 workers in adjacent roaded tile
wanting to reach the grassland and mine

step 1 worker and slave on grass execute road. Since their move is executed immediately, the road appears, and the 3 nearby workers can move onto the roaded grassland and mine. Since their move is executed immediately, the mine appears.

imagine instead that there are only 2 workers adjacent

The mine will not appear even though the move was executed immediate because the mine is not complete.

It will not even appear during the next turn but rather during the turn advance cycle after the next turn because only the actual work orders are executed immediate. Continuation orders from previous turns are executed during the turn advance cycle which is effectively the end of the turn.

Most of the time this is not a real issue except for trying to get roads available for transportation. The city resource increment is after the worker increment during turn advance cycle, so the effects for gold, shields, etc produced it doesn't matter. However during Government changeover, Anarchy reduces worker task speeds. This phenomenon like all Civ3 engine details need to be optimized by the player. (If you want to ever win on Divinity)

/stands down from soapbox

	14-11-2002 18:57									#6
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Sounds like you need to talk to GhengisFarb about suggestions for the PW orders for 1000 A.D. and 1010 A.D. rather than talking to me...

Beyond that, this sounds like an insane level of micro-management...

	14-11-2002 21:16									#7
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Revolutions should always be called at the end of a turn.

As a religious civ, if the revolution is at the end of the turn, we have no worker penalty. But if we call the revolution at the begining of the turn, we have slow workers for a turn.

	14-11-2002 21:48									#8
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Actually, there still is a worker penalty for those workers that are continuing previous turn build orders.

We should try to minimize this, but it is exceedingly difficult prior to RR buildout. And No, I am not proposing we delay Democracy that long.

	14-11-2002 22:26									#9
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hi ,

YES !

btw ; a demo with a GA really rocks !
maybe something for next time , ...

have a nice day

	15-11-2002 04:23									#10
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If there is no war, I'd favor Democracy., but since there will be, I think Republic is best, until our Cavaralry is useless.

	15-11-2002 23:24									#11
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The switch should have happend before the golden age started , this way there would have been more shields and money .

	15-11-2002 23:39									#12
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Democracy was quite a ways away when we started the French war. We wouldn't have completed the Forbiden Palace by now without that GA or have gotten so many buildings built.

	15-11-2002 23:52									#13
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quote: Originally posted by realpolitic If there is no war, I'd favor Democracy., but since there will be, I think Republic is best, until our Cavaralry is useless.

hi ,

, not when we can plan a fast short war , ....

then a democrazy is good , we get more money , more shields , etc , ....

have a nice day