15-11-2002 02:54									#1
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NYE's Gathering Storm just recruited some "pinch hitters" today. Sir Ralph is recruiting "the creme of the strategy forum" so to speak. I already considered it a threat with SirRalph there but it has definitely moved to #1 spot on my must kill asap list.

We might want to keep this in mind in regards to secret alliances.

	15-11-2002 03:41									#2
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i feel bad to have to kill one of my idols

	15-11-2002 04:09									#3
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX i feel bad to have to kill one of my idols

Feel like its an honour to be competing at the same level as some of the top Civ III players

	15-11-2002 05:09									#4
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX i feel bad to have to kill one of my idols

Honestly, I am not necessarily looking forward to this. It's like fighting against Rommel, Eisenhower, Napoleon, and Ghengis Khan with a worn out broomstick.

The question is do we try to ally with them OR against them?

Should we try to recruit some more strategians ourselves? Heck, even the builders are getting ready to pass us in numbers.

Of course we could always conquer them and force them into our empire.

	15-11-2002 05:23									#5
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This presents an interesting point, what will happen to players when their civ gets destroyed? Can they join other groups? Sorry if there has been other discussion on the subject; I just haven't seen it.

	15-11-2002 06:38									#6
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there was some discussion but i think nothing came of it.

	15-11-2002 08:22									#7
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This is starting to shape up as the Super Bowl of Civ3, the winning team is going to really have some bragging rights!

	15-11-2002 10:32									#8
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I'm tending to agree with you, GF. I readly don't like the path this game is taking. I was hoping for a quick game so we could all learn a bunch about how the Multi-site game is going to go. But with NYE recuriting people, he has turned it into a popularity contest.

I am also hoping that the players he recurited really will just be stand-bys. That they won't actively participate or that their great strategic minds will be overwhelmed by the "democratic process".

	15-11-2002 19:14									#9
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Keep in mind, they have not stated their preferred civ yet either.

Being the gambling man that I am, anyone want to bet on which they are leaning towards?

And, should it come up, how would we defend against mounted warriors? (I know a few of them on the team prefer Iriquois...)

	15-11-2002 21:33									#10
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx And, should it come up, how would we defend against mounted warriors? (I know a few of them on the team prefer Iriquois...)

4 spearmen, walls, a terrain bonuses (rivers, hills, mtns), and prayer (if you believe this that sort of bulllsh!t)

	16-11-2002 02:27									#11
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quote: And, should it come up, how would we defend against mounted warriors? (I know a few of them on the team prefer Iriquois...)

fortified veteran spearmen, along with a force of either horsemen or swordsmen to preempt them...defensively a well developed road network is our best friend

also one other question, do catapult automatically do 1 hp of damage to attackers?

	16-11-2002 03:38									#12
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quote: Originally posted by korn469 fortified veteran spearmen, along with a force of either horsemen or swordsmen to preempt them...defensively a well developed road network is our best friend also one other question, do catapult automatically do 1 hp of damage to attackers?

ONE catapult will ATTEMPT to do ONE hp of damage to ONE attacker ONCE PER TURN.

it CAN fail. im not sure what fortifying does to it (increased chances?).

	16-11-2002 03:50									#13
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we could always use the terrain to our advantage. we could not only build cities on hill themselves, but use nearby mountain ranges to defend / slow down enemies.

when i first started playing civ3, i actually used fortresses (before i realized how predictable the AI was). i guess the strategies would still apply.

by building a fortress and fortifying a unit (preferably more) EVERY OTHER SQUARE, anything that tries to move past it (through it) gets a free shot on them (fortresses give a ZOC to units inside). throw some spearmen and catapults in there (you'll have to road it to get a catapult there) and you got a kickass defense. as the MW approach you fire the catapults on them, and if they try to break through you, they lose even more HP.

if they try to attack the VETERAN SPEARMEN FORTIFIED IN A FORTRESS ON A MOUNTAIN they're facing what, +200% defense (i'm not a civ-stats person... 100% for the mountain, is it 100% for fortress? and dont you get a bonus for being fortified?)

so you're looking at a MW (3-1-2) going against our insane spearmen, with a defense of 4 or 5.

now watched, i jinxed it and we're in the middle of some desert / tundra with no hills anywhere.

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Hill= +50%
Mountian= +100%
Fortress= +50%
Fortified= +25%

So a fotified spear in a fortress on a mountian would be:
2 (base defense)
2 (terrian bonus)
1 (fortress bonus)
.5 (fortified bonus)
5.5 total defense.

Hmmm.... that sounds good. I propose that all our cities should be built on hills, if at all possible. We might need to sacrifice a little of the optimal location to do this, but automaticly makes spear into pikes with reguards to defensive value.

	16-11-2002 17:56									#15
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maby not all cities, that might be hard but as many as possible i must agree too. (depend on desenty of hills through). And some fortress might be a good idea, still maby we should not put too much effort in building thoose, still good against humans i guess but they aint as good as in civ2 when you couldn't move through squares close to enemy units.
Anyway some allies wouldn't be such a bad idea. Some ppl on the forum seem to be weary about us? can't understand why.. must be something about or name or so.

	16-11-2002 23:35									#16
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* Inverse Icarus flexes his muscles.

	17-11-2002 02:03									#17
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i think we should have adequate defenses but we shouldn't over invest in defense

i don't think we need more than one spearman in each city except for our capital or some other super city our garisons should be offensive units for the most part that we can quickly throw into any kind of scrape we get into

while the game rules do give an advantage to the defender, from a strategic standpoint it is much better to be on offense than defense, because it is the person on defense who is in danger of having their cities burnt down

	17-11-2002 04:15									#18
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still some defence units on the border wouldn't hurt...

	17-11-2002 05:54									#19
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1 garrison? what difficulty are we playing on?

	17-11-2002 10:54									#20
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I think Monarchy won...

	17-11-2002 19:07									#21
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX 1 garrison? what difficulty are we playing on?

not 1 garrison, but one garrison defencive unit. The other is offencive for attacking units who closing in on city.. still think more than 1 def units will defenatly be needed. true is still that some offencive units inside the citites wouldn't hurt..

	17-11-2002 23:32									#22
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i assumed we were playing emperor (apparently incorrectly). i guess we can pull off 1 garrison unit in each city, but i usually have a spearman/warrior in every city, and more on the borders.

	18-11-2002 02:42									#23
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one spearman plus either archers (if swordsmen aren't available), swordsmen, or horsemen is what i'm saying...plus we need to play offensively, get enough garrisons to keep our cities happy, have a couple of mobile reserves for protection but have the bulk of our forces in other people's territory

if we are going to play as warmongers that will be the only way we will pull this off, if we don't hammer our enemies early on, we'll be in trouble later on when they decide to gang up on us

	18-11-2002 04:05									#24
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agreed

	08-12-2002 03:08									#25
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb NYE's Gathering Storm just recruited some "pinch hitters" today. Sir Ralph is recruiting "the creme of the strategy forum" so to speak. I already considered it a threat with SirRalph there but it has definitely moved to #1 spot on my must kill asap list. We might want to keep this in mind in regards to secret alliances.

If we can scare 2 civs into believing that we can reduce them to ruble pretty fast. In this case the pen is mightier than the sword.