15-11-2002 13:45									#1
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Again, this is not an official poll.( that's the preZ's job)

But seeing the lively discussion the last day, I thought this might be a good idea.

just to see where we stand and to get a feel of everyones favorites for this game.

At least we can (maybe) narrow it down a bit

	15-11-2002 14:50									#2
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I think we should wait with a poll and narrow out our preferred civs a bit more. And when we poll, I suggest a poll with multiple choice, because there are civs that can be used equally good. As I pointed out in the Civ choices thread, I would be fine with Iroquois, Egypt, Aztecs, Persia and even Americans (although to a less amount). Others may see this similar.

	15-11-2002 14:54									#3
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This might be a good place to make a simple statement of choices, rather than just an anonymous vote. That could help us see the direction of consensus without sorting through many words.

So without wasting more words: Iroquois, Egypt, Celts, in that order. [Edit. scratch Celts. Neither Ind nor Exp].

Sorry alva, but it saves the making of a new thread.

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	15-11-2002 14:55									#4
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Tally.

Egypt: 8
Iroquois: 8
Persia: 6
China: 5
Aztecs: 4
America: 3
Arabs: 1
Babylon: 1
Celts: 1
Japan: 1

Voted: Sir Ralph, notyoueither, Meshelic, alva848, zeit, Arrian, asleepathewheel, FrustratedPoet, DeepO, alexman, Velociryx, Dominae,

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	15-11-2002 15:01									#5
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I will vote Celts or Persia.

	15-11-2002 15:05									#6
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You forgot Aztecs

	15-11-2002 15:09									#7
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So I did. Corrected.

	15-11-2002 16:17									#8
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no prob,
At first I wanted to make it multiple choice anyway, should have

In no particular order:
China, Iroquois, Egypt, Persia,Babylon,random

	15-11-2002 16:27									#9
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I'll vote for Iroqouis and Persia, but i really think we discussed enough about this, except our newer members, but i rather we get this thing over with, and decided.

	15-11-2002 19:16									#10
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Another vote for Egypt... which is R/I, btw, not E/I

-Arrian

	15-11-2002 19:45									#11
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Arrian, I think this poll is void, read the first couple of posts. You should post the civs you'd like to see us playing with. We will poll among the top civs later. IIRC, you pointed out in the other thread Egypt, Iroquois, Persia and China. So you should here.

	15-11-2002 19:53									#12
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Ok:

1) Egypt
2) Iroquois
3) Persia
4) China

-Arrian

	15-11-2002 20:56									#13
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1) Iroquios
2) Egypt
3) China

	15-11-2002 21:08									#14
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In no particular order:

Egypt
Iroquois
Aztecs

	15-11-2002 21:43									#15
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well... my choices for the moment would be:
Egypt
Japan
Persian

(no PTW civs yet)

Others I'm considering are the Aztecs... and the Greeks(!)

Why Grece? simply the fear factor: who wants to attack hoplites unless they're forced to? This would mean that the initiative rests in our hand: we decide when we go to war with a human civ. I think that this is a very strong diplo option, even if the rest of their traits are far from ideal.

DeepO

	15-11-2002 23:14									#16
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I'm feeling risky today:

Iroquois
Arabs
Americans



Come on! Expansionists are FUN!

	16-11-2002 00:12									#17
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In order of preference:
1) Egypt (Ind/Rel)
2) China (Mil/Ind) - Late-stage UU, but sooooo strong
3) Aztec (Rel/Mil - using Jags to explore, but not to attack)

*Iroquois would be #4 on my list, but again, I think we can make it work with them. I just worry that we might find ourselves wishing for a stronger trait once the game starts (Expansionistic: map-dependent, and saddled with a CHEAP-olah, easy to acquire tech).

-=Vel=-

	16-11-2002 00:20									#18
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Updated. We are well on our way to having our top 3 picks. Then we can begin to rank them for order of preference in a new thread.

	16-11-2002 00:38									#19
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Hm, my choices are quite different from the norm, but maybe I'll convince some of you along the way!

1. Americans

Expansionist-Industrious, the best MP traits; when used together, these traits guarantee a strong early-game. The lack of a significant UU is can be seen as an advantage since the human opponents will have to play a very reactive game. For instance, playing against the Iroquois it is easy guess when their major offensive will be; as the Americans, any agressive strategy is largely "formless" (in terms of unit composition and timing). Of course, this means the GA needs to be triggered via judicious selection of Wonders, presumably Colossus and Hanging Gardens/Pyramids.

2. Aztecs

JWs are so good that it doesn't really matter if the opponents are expecting them, they will work anyway. My only worry here is that the Expanionist trait is not as strong with JWs around, and I don't consider Religious to be *that* strong (I know, shoot me now!).

3. China

Combined strong early-game (Industrious trait and Warrior Code free) with amazing middle-game UU...heck, I don't need to sell this one, do I?


Note that my choices are heavily affected by a general disdain for culture.


Dominae

	16-11-2002 03:08									#20
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So, adding Dominae's choices to the tally:

Egypt: 8
Iroquois: 8
Persia: 6
China: 5
Aztecs: 4
America: 3
Arabs: 1
Babylon: 1
Celts: 1
Japan: 1

Question: aren't the Celts taken by the Glory of War team?

-Arrian

	16-11-2002 03:14									#21
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Is case teams have the same civ;

Paper, scissor, stone contest IIRC

	16-11-2002 07:28									#22
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OK. That's 12 out of 14 active members accounted for. Theseus has said any is fine with him, so he likely skipped this. Randolph is the only other person unaccounted for.

I think we should put up Egypt, Iroquois, Persia, China, Aztecs, and America in a rate them 1, 2, 3 poll by post.

If we assign 3 points to a first choice, 2 points to a second, and 1 point to a third then we can arrive at some value based ranking to base our selections on.

We have to remember that our first choice is not automatically ours. Another team may claim it and we may not win the rock, paper, scissors contest. Therefore, our second choice (and third) can be equally important to our first.

	16-11-2002 08:58									#23
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Right... in that case my choices would be:

1. Egypt: 3 points
2. Persia: 2 points
3. China: 1 point

Although I admit it would be cool to fight with the Aztecs

Ah... it doesn't matter to me that much really. the Iroquois will be fine as well

DeepO

	17-11-2002 00:46									#24
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Sorry I haven't been around,

1. Iroquois
2. Egypt
3. Americans

	17-11-2002 03:22									#25
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Coolness!

My points will go this direction:

Egypt (3)
Aztec (2)
China (1)

-=Vel=-

	17-11-2002 04:12									#26
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Ehh... before too many others follow my bad example, there is an official poll going on

DeepO

	17-11-2002 04:26									#27
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everyone is just double checking