15-11-2002 15:58									#1
	A little bit better PtW & Civ3 poll Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I tried to make poll which would be more realistic and reflect real opinions about PtW and Civ3. There are many answers to choose from, and I don't think I missed any.

Note: Satisfied doesn't mean that you have no probelms with PtW (since almost everybody has probelms with Internet MP), it just means that you think it good enough to keep and play for now.

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Hmm...

There are no bannanas, but in that case you should check "Undecided".

	15-11-2002 16:42									#2
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Finally a good poll about PtW. Well done, player1.

I'll buy it ASAP, because:
1. I 'm sure Firaxis will patch it until it will be flawless.
2. Until then I'm going to enjoy the new single player features and PBEM/hotseat.
3. I want to support Firaxis. If PtW won't sell well, we won't see any other expansions (nor civ4 too soon).

	15-11-2002 16:51									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius 3. I want to support Firaxis. If PtW won't sell well, we won't see any other expansions (nor civ4 too soon).

That's pretty good point.

Remeber Ctp2?

Nobody bought it, nobody patched it.

But that game had good potential.
If just Activions tried to invest in it a little bit more.

	15-11-2002 17:11									#4
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Good job, player1!
Finally, a poll I can honestly vote in.

Since I got my copy of PtW mostly because of the SP and UI improvements, I guess it's no surprise that I am quite happy about it. The MP will be OK much sooner than I find some spare time to give it a try.

And Tibi made a very good point. I honestly wish that the guys at Firaxis continue improving and developing Civ, since - to me - they have proven quite adept in bringing new ideas into the Civ world. And... I bow to their post-release support of the game... Given time and money enough, I do believe they will polish Civ3 into a perfect gem (referring to Vel calling the current Civ "a flawed gem", which I do agree with...).

	15-11-2002 17:29									#5
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Voted the 4th option "Already bought, and I'm very angry, but MP fix would probably make me satisfied", although it doesn't match my feelings entirely. I'm not very, but moderately angry (the SP improvements are very good), and a MP fix would not only make me satisfied, but happy.

Good poll, player1.

And Tiberius: To grant further game support and to get maybe a Civ4 some day, we need not to support Firaxis, but Infogrames (awwww, that hurts to say... ). They hold the rights, and Firaxis is just a hired company, that does the development. Infogrames might as well hire another company next time (if ever, that is). But the means remain the same, as long as the game sells well, the chance of further support and may be another sequel grow.

	15-11-2002 17:36									#6
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I would buy it for SP only. But I gather, from looking through some of the posts, that SP is not working all that well.

What's your experience?

	15-11-2002 17:57									#7
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quote: Originally posted by MyOlde I would buy it for SP only. But I gather, from looking through some of the posts, that SP is not working all that well. What's your experience?

Huh? I must have missed some posts. SP is the part of the game that is working. There may be some smaller bugs lurking below the surface, but there definitely are not any game ruining bugs... nothing like when Civ3 came out and air power was broken.

As for the poll, I already bought it and I'm happy especially considering the price I paid (which was only US$20).

	15-11-2002 17:59									#8
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Well, Sir Ralph, then read: I want to support the civ series. Like you said: "as long as the game sells well, the chance of further support and may be another sequel grow". I'd add: ... regardless of who the developer or the publisher is. (as long as Sid Meier is involved )

	15-11-2002 20:07									#9
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What, no banana?

Somebody set up us the bomb!!!

	15-11-2002 21:44									#10
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Already bought the XP, largely satisfied (I'm mainly interested in SP), but still hoping for a MP patch ASAP so that the game sells well.

	15-11-2002 23:39									#11
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	15-11-2002 23:45									#12
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Er-Good poll but,

quote: There are many answers to choose from, and I don't think I missed any.

What about 'I have ordered it but dont know what it is like, as it hasn't arrived yet?'

	16-11-2002 21:20									#13
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Already on page 2? That's a shame, because this is really a good poll.

*bump*

	16-11-2002 22:09									#14
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This is a far superior poll

	16-11-2002 22:51									#15
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First option

And I agree to much that has been said here

oh, if Civ4 ever does get made, I hope they will give it to Firaxis, and certainly hope it will be the same team who makes it.

	16-11-2002 23:43									#16
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I'll buy PTW as soon as possible. This could possibly be "never". I don't quite understand why this game has not been released in Brazil yet. Poor sales? Are they translating it (the original game was not localized)? Do they think we're filthy bastards? Is it because of Gisele Bündchen and her fur coats?

I want it now!

	17-11-2002 00:37									#17
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hi ,

a bit angry , they could have fixed it .

a bit angry also for whats in it , there should have been more stuff in it .

lets hope that we get all the fixes and a good patch before X-mas , ......

have a nice day

	17-11-2002 02:01									#18
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I don't understand how anyone could be satisfied at the given price. The inprovements to the AI and interface are things most other game companies put into a patch, FREE patch. Just about all aspects of the MP are buggy in one respect or another. I'd say the new civs and the unit packs are worth $10-15. I'm just glad I got mine at CompUSA for $20. I'd say the $20 will be well spent when they fix MP.

As for new expansions and Civ4. If Infogrammes is going to publish it, I'd prefer not seeing the series continue. I know Firaxis (read Sid Meier) is pretty chummy with EA Games. Perhaps if he can get EA to buy the rights to the Civ games from Infogrammes

	17-11-2002 02:25									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Swissy I don't understand how anyone could be satisfied at the given price. The inprovements to the AI and interface are things most other game companies put into a patch, FREE patch. Just about all aspects of the MP are buggy in one respect or another. I'd say the new civs and the unit packs are worth $10-15. I'm just glad I got mine at CompUSA for $20. I'd say the $20 will be well spent when they fix MP. As for new expansions and Civ4. If Infogrammes is going to publish it, I'd prefer not seeing the series continue. I know Firaxis (read Sid Meier) is pretty chummy with EA Games. Perhaps if he can get EA to buy the rights to the Civ games from Infogrammes

Most other game companys improve AI and interface in a patch? Give me 15-20 examples of this in games released in the last year. And I mean the noticeable improvements seen PtW, not slight changes. If most other companys improve AI and interface and a patch this shouldn't be too hard, right? Internet MP is broken right now, of course. But LAN works fine and PBEM/Hotseat does too I thought(besides for some diplomacy problems on PBEM/Hotseat I think).

And then about new expansions Inforgrames can publish if they don't rush it, which seems to be what happened. SP works great in PtW, just combined with being forced to use Gamespy and rushing it seems like internet MP got screwed. As for EA being a better one to publish it, i'm not so sure about that. How many games does EA publish that are just old ones rehashed? I'd rather see a new buggy Civ then an old one redone.

	17-11-2002 04:53									#20
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I didn't buy it, it was given to me. And I'm happy with the price I paid.

	17-11-2002 04:53									#21
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Some people do not think of money when it comes to their toys. It is not even a function of how much they have, just do they want it or not. I have been out of work for over a year and I am happy with it. I got what I wanted and no I do not play MP. If I did I may not be happy with it. If you ask me to give it back for my 30 dollars, no way.

	17-11-2002 05:19									#22
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Already bought, and I'm not very angry but dissatisfied about the price.

No Vote.

	18-11-2002 10:21									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Swissy I don't understand how anyone could be satisfied at the given price. The inprovements to the AI and interface are things most other game companies put into a patch, FREE patch. . . As for new expansions and Civ4. If Infogrammes is going to publish it, I'd prefer not seeing the series continue. I know Firaxis (read Sid Meier) is pretty chummy with EA Games. Perhaps if he can get EA to buy the rights to the Civ games from Infogrammes

I agree completely. I am entirely dissatisfied with Firaxis, and based on what I've read on the forums PTW is another incomplete overpriced letdown.

Civ 4?? Not if Firaxis does it. I won't buy it.

	18-11-2002 10:32									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius Finally a good poll about PtW. Well done, player1. I'll buy it ASAP, because: 1. I 'm sure Firaxis will patch it until it will be flawless. 2. Until then I'm going to enjoy the new single player features and PBEM/hotseat. 3. I want to support Firaxis. If PtW won't sell well, we won't see any other expansions (nor civ4 too soon).

All these polls are entirely flawed because most Civ I and II fanatics who don't like Civ 3 or Firaxis are no longer here, and the Faithful Firaxis Devotees are the ones who are here the most.

It's amazing. Firaxis can keep coming out with rushed incomplete beta products that need constant patching, but that's OK to some of you. The game will never have all the features it should have.

I do NOT want to support Firaxis as I do not want them to have anything to do with a Civ 4.

Civ 3 is the biggest gaming letdown for me ever.

	18-11-2002 11:45									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Coracle All these polls are entirely flawed because most Civ I and II fanatics who don't like Civ 3 or Firaxis are no longer here, and the Faithful Firaxis Devotees are the ones who are here the most.

It is not the polls' fault that not everyone from this planet come to vote. I saw polls where there were more dissatisfied people than happy ones, and it was a far inferior poll. This poll is truly outstanding.

You know, it wasn't such a bad thing to think before you post. I'm not hoping that you will finally understand, but nevertheless: I am not a Firaxis devotee. I really doubt anyone here is. I don't give a sh*t who is the developer or who is the publisher. I like civ3. Should I repeat it ? Don't you get it? I like civ3 and thus I respect and support the people who did it.

quote: Civ 3 is the biggest gaming letdown for me ever.

I'm sorry to hear this, but I think you decided long time ago that you don't like civ3 and you will never like it, no matter what. Because you childishly decided so. Just MHO.

	18-11-2002 12:15									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius You know, it wasn't such a bad thing to think before you post. I'm not hoping that you will finally understand, but nevertheless: I am not a Firaxis devotee. I really doubt anyone here is. I don't give a sh*t who is the developer or who is the publisher. I like civ3. Should I repeat it ? Don't you get it? I like civ3 and thus I respect and support the people who did it.

Well said, Tibi. A Civ3 devotee is not necessarily a Firaxis devotee. Majority of people here like (and play, I guess) Civ3. And that's it. Belittling what they like and what they think about it is a pretty poor way to gain recognition... alas, some people will stick to it...

	18-11-2002 12:57									#27
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Tiberius you need to understand that some people like to irrate others and make them mad. I am not saying Coracle is one of those people as I do not know him, but you will have met people that are obnoxious on purpose. It is a very useful technic at the poker tables as getting people to steam is a way to make them play less than optimally.

	18-11-2002 13:07									#28
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You have a point here, vmxa1. But why would anyone do this in a game forum? For Christ's sake, it is supposed to be fun!
We are here because we enjoy the game, don't we? You won't find me in Quake forums trashing whoever programmed it. People are strange

	18-11-2002 14:18									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Coracle All these polls are entirely flawed because most Civ I and II fanatics who don't like Civ 3 or Firaxis are no longer here, and the Faithful Firaxis Devotees are the ones who are here the most.

Wrong!

XPs are amied at those who LIKE original, not on those who don't.

So opinion from someone about PtW, who doesn't like Civ3 is realy not worth to someone who is thinking about buying Civ3:PtW (since he will still tell you Civ3 sucks, PtW sucks).

On the other hand everybody option is worth if question is about original Civ3.

	18-11-2002 15:58									#30
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That's a good point player1. It is pretty much a given if you didn't like the original game (and it doesn't really matter what the game is) you aren't going to like the game+xp.