19-11-2002 02:36									#31
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I was away this weekend and after reading the results of the vote this morning I specifically resisted the urge to "make my vote count". Doesn't holding out in order to see everyone else's votes sort of make the whole process undemocratic?


Dominae

	19-11-2002 02:41									#32
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How so? You're gonna vote for the civ you want to play, so waiting just increases the dramatic impact of your vote.

DeepO, keep in mind that some of the Egypt supporters also voted for the Iroquois (me, for instance), so that goes both ways. I wouldn't mind being the Iro's, I'd just rather be Egyptian.

-Arrian

	19-11-2002 02:44									#33
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Arrian, I'm not really bothered by it either way (like you, I believe both Egyptians and Iroquois to be fine choices), but by voting last your vote does "count more" than the earlier votes (especially with such a small population). If I were the last to vote with Egypt and Iroquois neck in neck, then it would be my vote that decided it, ultimately. Based on less information, I can't be help responsible for more than my share of the vote.


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	19-11-2002 02:50									#34
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Bah, maybe that's partially right, but not really what I intended with stating it... I consider it more of a dramatic effect

DeepO

	19-11-2002 08:39									#35
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Poobie?

	19-11-2002 08:41									#36
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Poobie?

Are you going to vote or not, big boy? Hasn't it been three days?

	19-11-2002 09:09									#37
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OK, OK.

I have listened to the arguments for and against. I have played out the Egyptians and the Iroquois.

For a known map I would pick the Iroquois in a heart beat. However, for a random map...

Egypt
Iroquois
America

	19-11-2002 09:12									#38
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither OK, OK. I have listened to the arguments for and against. I have played out the Egyptians and the Iroquois. For a known map I would pick the Iroquois in a heart beat. However, for a random map... Egypt Iroquois America

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does that mean that we have a tie between Egypt and Iroquois?

	19-11-2002 09:13									#39
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Final standings.

Egypt: 24
Iroquois: 24
Aztecs: 9
Persia: 8
America: 7
China: 6

How's that for drama?

On a principle of first place votes as a tie breaker, Egypt would win by a nose.

	19-11-2002 09:21									#40
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Final standings. Egypt: 24 Iroquois: 24 Aztecs: 9 Persia: 8 America: 7 China: 6 How's that for drama? On a principle of first place votes as a tie breaker, Egypt would win by a nose.

I don't remember us deciding on THAT as a tiebreaker.

But Egypt will be fine. Too conservative for my tastes, but it will be fine, the traits are solid for any map.

Congrats, you Egyptologists (asleep begrudgingly kicks the sand)

Good choice

	19-11-2002 09:23									#41
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Remember that this is an order of preference. We may not get #1.

	19-11-2002 09:30									#42
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Right, I do think that Legoland was considering Egypt. We don't know what civ the new team will pick either.

edit: I think its legoland;s second choice.

	19-11-2002 09:37									#43
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Since the private forums, all teams probably reevaluated their choices.

We could end with 5 teams going for Egypt

	19-11-2002 09:47									#44
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When do we reveal this to the world? do we hold onto it for a few more days, closer to the start date?

	19-11-2002 10:17									#45
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Hold on as long as possible IMO

	19-11-2002 13:39									#46
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quote: [SIZE=1] Originally posted by notyoueither Final standings. Egypt: 24 Iroquois: 24 Aztecs: 9 Persia: 8 America: 7 China: 6

I'm perfectly happy with that. Two very good MP civs equally in the lead, we should be able to get one of them, and a good troublemaker civ (Aztecs) backing up.

	19-11-2002 14:21									#47
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So I've been following and I fail to see what has been done. Other than a poll that says Egypt and Iroquois are number 1, which means we still haven't picked our civ.....

Is it time for a runoff poll? Egypt vs. Iroquois?

	19-11-2002 14:32									#48
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quote: NYE: How's that for drama? On a principle of first place votes as a tie breaker, Egypt would win by a nose.

Egypt won

	19-11-2002 14:43									#49
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quote: Originally posted by alva848 Egypt won

BOOOOOOO BOOOOOOOO


Ok, that's out of my system.

Time to hieroglyphtize those mofos.

Go Egypt. WOOOOHOOOOOO

	19-11-2002 14:47									#50
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Egypt it is then, right?

Hmm not sure if I'm bummed or happy.

but i'll go with it.

CAN WE PLEASE NOT BE YELLOW COLORED THOUGH??? PLEASE!!!!! Something cool like red, blue, green, black, ANYTHING BUT YELLOW!!! OR PINK I HATE PINK!!!

ok I REALLY needed to get that out if we're Egypt. Really bad. Sorry.

	19-11-2002 15:33									#51
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I wouldn't mind pink to be honest.
Pink taking on the mighty, macho GoW and then kicking it's but, I love irony

	19-11-2002 15:38									#52
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I love irony too but not that much!

Really, no pink or yellow, please! This is a serious issue.

	19-11-2002 18:12									#53
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At least our civ is known... so it's time to tackle the next big issue: city placement!

As to choices: I think the blocks were considering it as a second choice, after Cartaghe (in which the RPGers were also interested). Logically, if they decide it to be 2nd choice, and we take it as a first, we should get it. However, if it comes to that I do propose we at least consider giving it to them, as a fair play thing. I would like Cleo more then that other guy (I can't even remember the Iroquois chief), but this will certainly mean that we could find an ally here.

Or, another idea, if the legos don't get Carthage, and would be forced out of Egypt because we picked it first, why don't we sell it to them? I know the perfect thing to sell it for: Their worker. We could negotiate in which turn they should give it up (but certainly not later then turn 20), and this would give us most of the benefits of Egypt anyway. Ohh... that seems like a good plan

DeepO

	19-11-2002 18:22									#54
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We can only trade workers if we have contact, right? Certainly no guarantee we'll have contact by turn 20.

Anyway do you think they'd go for it? I certainly wouldn't.

Probably won't happen anyway.

	19-11-2002 18:44									#55
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Ah, you're right... we need contact for that. So what about a worker at the first meeting in game?

As to going for it: who knows? I would think about it anyway... it all depends on how badly they want a builder civ

DeepO

	19-11-2002 19:17									#56
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DeepO,

Do you really think another team would be dumb enough to cough up their first worker?

Oh, yeah, Egypt won, with Iroquois backing them up. Excellent.

-Arrian

	19-11-2002 19:37									#57
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Well... think about it: that first worker is relatively fast replaced. It will mean that your empire is lacking some 5 turns behind everyone else, but if this means you get your preferred choices.... Besides, as builders the options aren't that great, we as a balanced team could make any tribe work, but not them.

And, as we first have to meet, it is a risk before we know the map: if we meet in turn 10, they are hampered, if however me meet in turn 50, we don't get anything out of that one worker. (the Iroquois aren't industrious, so one slave is nothing, and we even have to pay upkeep for him as he was bought, and not conquered)

DeepO

	19-11-2002 19:48									#58
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quote: Originally posted by DeepO (the Iroquois aren't industrious, so one slave is nothing, and we even have to pay upkeep for him as he was bought, and not conquered)

AFAIK, no. There's no difference between bought and captured workers.

	19-11-2002 19:56									#59
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Well.. last game I got 3 workers as part of some tech deal, and I had to pay upkeep for them. At least, I only had those 3 in my military advisor window, while all my other slaves were in the 'captured units' slot. I didn't look exactly whether the upkeep came down when I added them to cities, I just assumed this... why else would they be in the normal units, instead of the captured ones?

I also thought that this might have been a bug, as it was the first time I noticed it, and I bought workers before... I don't know.

DeepO

	19-11-2002 20:02									#60
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I have noticed multiple times, that Civ3 gets confused on the worker status on the long run. For instance, when basic improvements and the RR sleaze is done, I want to disband/add to cities my native workers and leave only the slaves (automated). It's always a pain to hunt down my native workers, because the Military advisor screen (F3) displays crap. Often, if it shows my native worker in a certain position, I find a slave there and vice versa. I reported the bug in a bug squashing thread (IIRC the 1.21f one), but it did not get addressed.