16-11-2002 14:08									#1
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I have a question... not sure if its a bug... but here goes:


I've got a city with population 12. Level Monarch.

Happiness Improvements: Temple / Colossium / Cathedral

Wonders: Hanging Gardens

Laxuary Resources: Silk, Incense

Government: Monarchy

Garrison: 1 Pikeman, 1 Spearman

Entertainment Level: 0%


Now the problem is that for some reason the city has 5 happy citizens even though it should only have 2. Is there something I'm missing or is there a major logic bug?

Also if anyone is having the same problem please post.

Thanks in advance.

	16-11-2002 14:29									#2
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Do you have a market place and some lux resources? If so that will do it, depending on how many luxs are available.

	16-11-2002 14:36									#3
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errrrr.... thanks but i dont think you read my post proply.

quote: Laxuary Resources: Silk, Incense

	16-11-2002 14:39									#4
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Has another Civ declared war or done a sneak attack recently? This results in extra happy faces.

	16-11-2002 14:48									#5
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please explain.... if u can off course...

	16-11-2002 14:51									#6
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I presume you are familiar with War Weariness? If another Civ declares war on you and/or launches a sneak attack, it causes War Weariness in reverse, that is, it makes people happier. This might explain the three extra happy faces you're seeing.

	16-11-2002 15:08									#7
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oh... ok... well that might explain it... could there be any other couses?

	16-11-2002 15:11									#8
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Not that I know of.

	16-11-2002 18:47									#9
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Does'nt the Hanging Gardens give extra happy faces for a time, Im sure it does.

	16-11-2002 18:52									#10
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Yup. Three in the city it's built in, and one everywhere else on that continent.

	16-11-2002 21:11									#11
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Hanging Gardens and any other wonders or improvements only add content people, not happy. Luxuries, luxury rate, and entertainers are the only things that can make a person truely 'happy'.

I just ran a test in the debug mode and added the Hanging Gardens and all those other improvements to a city, yet still had 0 happy people.

I bet you had some entertainers in the city.

	16-11-2002 22:18									#12
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It's only content? I though it was happy, and the Oracle and Shakespeare, in particular, was content. Hrm.

	17-11-2002 01:15									#13
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What is the exact level of your happy, content, and unhappy citizen?

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	17-11-2002 04:02									#14
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lol... most of you people are more n00b then me... its prolly war weariness. I am still to test it.

	17-11-2002 04:40									#15
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The Hanging Gardens makes three content people happy in the city where it is built and one other in all other cities including those on other continents/islands.

Ruski if you had two happy citizens prior to building the Hanging Gardens then you would gain an extra three happy faces converted from contented upon completion.

I can only assume you built this wonder in the city in question where you have the five happy faces. If you check your manual or the in game civilopedia you can see for yourself the effects of all great and small wonders.

	17-11-2002 05:34									#16
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Well as far as I recall, Civilopidea says that the Hanging Gardens gives 3 content citizens in the city its build in and 2 in all other cities, not happy but contect.

But I will double check!

	17-11-2002 05:47									#17
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quote: Originally posted by ChrisiusMaximus Ruski if you had two happy citizens prior to building the Hanging Gardens then you would gain an extra three happy faces converted from contented upon completion.

Then how come when I was in the debug mode and put every single wonder and every single improvement into a city (size 1), that 1 person was only content?(which should be happy with all the improvements and wonders in the city).

Wonders, improvements, and Military police will give you a ton of content people, but luxuries (marketplace helps too with 3 or more luxuries), luxury rate and entertainers are the only things that can convert content people to happy. And maybe this reverse war-weariness thing, not sure...

	17-11-2002 06:15									#18
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yeah... thats pritty stright forward just read under "Happy Faces" in the civilopidia. I'm trying to test this reverse war weariness but the stupid romans dont want to sign a peace treaty

	17-11-2002 07:14									#19
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Originally posted by GeneralTacticus

quote: Has another Civ declared war or done a sneak attack recently? This results in extra happy faces.

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus

quote: I presume you are familiar with War Weariness? If another Civ declares war on you and/or launches a sneak attack, it causes War Weariness in reverse, that is, it makes people happier. This might explain the three extra happy faces you're seeing.

How the heck would a Civ declaring war on you, make your citizens happy ?? (im not saying your wrong but its just tottaly stupid and senseless. Am i just not understanding correctly or something)

Anyway thanx

-James

	17-11-2002 07:22									#20
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quote: How the heck would a Civ declaring war on you, make your citizens happy ?? (im not saying your wrong but its just tottaly stupid and senseless. Am i just not understanding correctly or something)

I've observed this in-game many times, so I have no doubt that it occurs. I believe the reasoning behind it is that an outside attack usually causes citizens to rally around their government - you need look no further than Pearl Harbor or September 11 for examples of this.

	17-11-2002 08:42									#21
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quote: you need look no further than Pearl Harbor or September 11 for examples of this.

dam man... you beat me to that reply I was going to say exactly the same thing, compare the public support for Vietnam and Afganistan wars... rather different support they

	17-11-2002 09:54									#22
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The way it can occcur if that people are looking for revenge. I can see that they could get happy when you slammed the enemy, but not when the war breaks out. Pearl Harbor, did not make anyone happy, but winning a battle could after it.

	17-11-2002 11:06									#23
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'Happiness' in Civ 3 terms equates to being happy with the government, not being happy generally. It' quite possible for a person to be generally unhappy but still support their government.