17-11-2002 04:42									#1
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During the last brief turnchat, the Hive, situated to the north of the University, declared war. They are currently ahead in population and military.

Post your thoughts here on how to proceed.

	17-11-2002 04:53									#2
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With advancing knowledge fast enough to make Yang's minions obsolete, gaining HEC and defending sea bases with Plasma as soon as possible, and having the odd unit of missle rovers/squads when we get SFF.

Oh and can't forget the CDF, that would be very usuful.

	17-11-2002 15:06									#3
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Probe him at first.

	17-11-2002 15:24									#4
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I always forget that! Doh!

	17-11-2002 16:42									#5
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Besides continual Probing (We should really gear up a small fleet of Probe Foils at some stage), ignore until we can start the Drop Troops & Choppers pouring in, or until he actually becomes a nusiance to our Shipping lanes.

	17-11-2002 17:48									#6
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to everything but i would like to see maybe UNPD and TBIBTU to build some military units!

	17-11-2002 20:31									#7
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First military priority should be infiltration.
Second military priority should be the Citizen's Defense Force.
Third military priority should be to put state-of-the-art garrisons in all cities.
Fourth military priority should be to build up a defensive navy.
Fifth miltary priority should be to build up an occupation force strong enough to take and hold the Command Nexus. (Probes may be involved.)
Sixth military priority should be building an attack force for liberation of the Hive.

All IMO, of course.

	17-11-2002 20:49									#8
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first
second garrisons
third CDF
fourth navy
fifth
sixth

IMHO

	17-11-2002 20:53									#9
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1 - 6 (what Adam said)

	17-11-2002 21:13									#10
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I'd rather agree with DBTS version...

Anyway, well thought, Adam

	17-11-2002 22:01									#11
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Well... since CDF only takes up one bases production, we can do both

	17-11-2002 22:52									#12
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the map of the hive:


we can enter with a probe into Labourer's Throng, or the Leader's Horde.

	18-11-2002 09:50									#13
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I agree with what has been said about the importance of infiltration and some proper garrisons, along with the CDF, but I think we should give serious consideration to attacking The Hive and taking the Command Nexus. It would be a big help to our war machine and a big detriment to theirs if we could capture it.

	18-11-2002 14:12									#14
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I suppose it depends where the CN is, and if we can easily take it. Let's wait until we have infiltrated before we poll for other plans.

	18-11-2002 14:34									#15
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It's at The Hive; you can see that from the F5 screen.

	18-11-2002 14:42									#16
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OK, however I still think we need to wait until we can see how well defended it is.

	18-11-2002 14:44									#17
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Well, of course we need to do the infiltration before we can start making plans. We should have it done well before we can start building up anyway; hoever, I think we should go for it regardless of how heavily defended it is, within reason.

	18-11-2002 18:28									#18
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1.
2. If we adopt an offensive mindset against Yang, the value of the CDF will be more for holding his captured bases than defending our own. The competition is near for building CDF so I will agree we need to start on it, but we won't need it for a while. A more pressing need is morale and mobility of our navy, so I will add the MCC to our priorities. Our ability to intercept ships on their way to us will be more immediately important than resisting his landed troops or defending captuired bases.
4 before 3. And concentrate on beefed-up garrison (and counterstrike units/ probes) in northern bases, not faction-wide.
5. , especially in ensuring probe capacity. To launch our invasion, the seaborne mobility given by the MCC will be crucial.

	19-11-2002 00:39									#19
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Still like Adam's plan best.

And I agree with GT, we ought to show Yang that the UN can defend itself!

	19-11-2002 08:27									#20
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Priority One: Infiltration.
Priority Two: CDF.
Priority Three: Navy.
Priority Four: Seize the Nexus! Turn away all communications from the Hive once we start invading until we have accomplished this!
Priority Five: Garrisons!
Priority Six: Liberate the Hive, as a faction. Surrender possible? Doubtful.

	19-11-2002 17:20									#21
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Just on the matter of garrisons. They should be, at least until we have the ability to make clean units.

1-(Best)+t-1

ie. Infantry unit with Best Armour and no weapon. Has as special abilities ECM and Trance (Drop Trance if no Grafting).

	19-11-2002 18:17									#22
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I would agree, but I think after our enemies discover flight, vulnerable bases (coastal or near the enemy) should have one unit as described above, and one 1-<(best)>t-1 unit, ie. an AAA trance garrison.

	19-11-2002 18:37									#23
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Good plan but let's focus on beating them to flight.

Also, we should enlist Zakharov's help in this vendetta, once our military preparations have progressed sufficiently to start attacking. Having Zak open a southern front against Yang could distract the Hive from constructing a navy to challenge us.

	19-11-2002 19:08									#24
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Do you think we will convince Zakh to help us? I think that it's worth trying, but nearly impossible.

	19-11-2002 19:17									#25
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I'm not so sure that's a good idea, Zak could be a great ally, especially for research trading, in the future, and if he attacks Yang, he'll almost certainly be taken over, giving Yang even more power. Zak doesn't have the biggest of armies and I don't think he could do much to help anyway.

	20-11-2002 01:00									#26
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Good point, Drogue. But I'd suggest we wouldn't leave Yang time to take over Zak.

If we enlisted the University's aid only when we are readying our invasion, Yang will spring into action against the nearer foe (Zak). The objective would be to get Yang's troops mobilized and in the open, where they are more vulnerable to attack. By opening a second front, the defenses around the base with the CN will be easier to crack, and The Hive's counterstrike will take longer to organize (since Yang will have to reverse his armies from a march on University territories). If Zak loses some bases in the process, we can always recapture and return them as we eliminate the Hive.

	20-11-2002 01:22									#27
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That is true, *if* we get to the Hive early enough, and *if* we can hold him. Remember he won't be an easy foe (and i think he has gatling weapons) I wouldn't be surprised if he takes Univ bases before we can stop him, and then we have to use our forces to defend the Univ rather than taking the CN.

I think we should take the CN first, and then maybe enlist Zak. Or Pact him so we can launch attacks from his bases.

	20-11-2002 01:30									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue I think we should take the CN first, and then maybe enlist Zak. Or Pact him so we can launch attacks from his bases.

That works, too. Our troops will pour across Yang's southern border even as he masses armies to recapture the Command Nexus. The key to toppling Yang is to be able to take many bases quickly, so that his robust industry becomes less of a factor.

	20-11-2002 01:33									#29
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Sounds like a plan

YANG WILL FALL!!!

	20-11-2002 02:01									#30
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if we can probe yang soon, we might get HEC, meaning plasma steel, and a change of research goal

i think i'll start a new poll regarding changing next tech goal for wartime. in the last poll, fossil fuels came second, but it was conducted before yang declared war. i wonder if the public's opinion would change