17-11-2002 18:00									#1
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would you pass this amendment!?

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quote: Director of Energy and Industry: Has the right of: *Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area *Ordering the commissioner to rushbuild, use money in trades, change worker placements, and move crawlers *Advising any other part of the government *Requesting crawlers and buildings with the Director of buildings productions. *Polling Planetary Council decision on salvaging reactor core *Polling Planetary Council decisions on Global Trade Pacts Has the duties of: *Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area *Listing to the will of the people in his area *Giving his opinion to the director of foreign affairs about any talks, which effect his area, with other factions *Serving his faction the best he can This Director is responsible of the treasury expenditures, worker placements, and crawlers. Director of Terraforming and Colonisation: Has the right of: *Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area *Ordering the commissioner to move terraformers and colony pods *Ordering the commissioner to design new TC units, disband old TC units and upgrade current TC units *Advising any other part of the government *Requesting terraformers colony pods, and buildings with the Director of buildings productions. *Polling Planetary Council decisions on raising and lowering sea levels Has the duties of: *Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area *Listing to the will of the people in his area *Serving his faction the best he can Director of Expansion and Terraforming commands all colony pods and terraformers Director of Base production: Has the right of: *Ordering the commissioner to build buildings and units *Advising any other part of the government *Starting polls about Special Projects Has the duties of: *Choosing between various requests made by the directors *Starting polls about Special Projects *Listing to the will of the people about the Special Projects *Serving his faction the best he can *Posting polls on how our bases should be named

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quote: all rights and duties that are about the planetary councel and put them under the DFA

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quote: [article I] Director of Interal Affaires: has the right of: *mapping out regions in our faction *advising any governer on how he should run his region *veto an orders from a governer has the duties of: *dividing formers, crawlers and funds over regions in our faction *making a list of every buildrequest by other director that has to be divided between the regions in our faction the director of internal affaires is the head of the governers councel Governers: have the rights of: *ordering the commissioner to: **move formers for his region **move crawlers for his region **start buildingqueues for his region **rush constructions for his region **move workers *advising any director that concern his region *polling for guidelines for his region [all within the parameters given by the Director of Internal Affaires] have the duties of: *carrying out orders from the Director of Internal affaires *advising the rest of the faction about this region the best he can May NOT: give orders in a specific field if the director of Internal affaires uses his veto on the subject. Governers are assign by the people to take care of a certain region of our faction. [article II] governers will be chosen by the people as so!

	17-11-2002 20:07									#2
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Voted no because I don't agree with the DIA's overall veto, too much power IMHO. I think if there was some limit on vetos then yes. That's the only point i disagree with however, otherwise nicely written DBTS.

	17-11-2002 20:23									#3
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This proposal has my support. The veto is a good balance, IMO, between the need to keep the governors independent and the need to project a unified policy. I'd prefer if there were some method of veto override -- perhaps by a majority vote of the Govrnors' Council. As it is, though, I'm happy to pass this, and let any problems which occur be amended.

An example of when a veto might be necessary is when a Governor decides to rush buy a Secret Project is his region, and the DIA doesn't think the treasury can spare the funds. However, this could be equally prevented by giving a majority of the Governor's council the power to veto, or allowing the DIA to veto and the Council to veto override. In any case, I'm willing to pass this now and amend it later as necessary.

	17-11-2002 20:46									#4
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i have givin the DIA the power to give every region a portion of the treasury this way the governer cant use any more than that amount this is also the biggest thing that will be vetoed on...governers that use rescources and a like that doesnt fit the general guidelines! maybe i have to put by the DIA that he has to follow the general guidelines of the faction (or something like that) so that we wont get a power mad DIA that we cant empeach! what do you think?

	17-11-2002 20:50									#5
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I think if you put what happens if the DIA does questionable things and any general guidelines into the amendment, then it looks fine to me.

Also should you put about assigning a budget to each Governor in the amendment too?

	17-11-2002 21:09									#6
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i already did that!:

DIA has the duties of:
assigning crawlers, formers and funds to the regions!

	17-11-2002 21:58									#7
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Oh yes.. sorry, read the wrong part (Governors bit )

	17-11-2002 22:33									#8
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yes. great work DBTS. i can't see any problems with it

if this passes after 3 days, will it be included in the december term?

	17-11-2002 23:05									#9
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I voted yes! I want this amendment to pass as soon as possible, so we can use it for the December term.

My only suggestion would be to include "moving colony pods and polling base locations" to the tasks of the DIA.

	17-11-2002 23:56									#10
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good idea. right now, it seems that's not anywhere, and it makes sense for the DIA to do it, since it doesn't fall under any specific governorship

	18-11-2002 00:16									#11
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i will put it in the final draft that i will release tomorrow then after 3 days it can be put in the constitution so that we can vote for DIA and governers for next term.....but how many governers can be chosen is a question that only the DIA can answer bacause of the part that he makes the regions....so after that the DIA has been chosen only after that can we elected governers....or we can elected 5 or 6 governers (if we have enough people) and after that let the DIA make regions and give the people with the most votes a region until all regions have a governer.....

	18-11-2002 01:27									#12
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so, do we elect the DIA before everyone else, so as not to delay the game (the DIA election starts 3 days before everyone else so that the governors can be elected on time)?

and, is it the DIA's decision to assign whoever he wants to whatever region he wants?

	18-11-2002 02:01									#13
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quote: Originally posted by TKG and, is it the DIA's decision to assign whoever he wants to whatever region he wants?

I would suggest every governor candidate gives a list of his three preferred regions to govern. If two governors have the same preference, the one with the most votes gets what he wants.

How will we elect governors anyway? I believe making a poll for every region apart isn't worth it. What about we first determine how many regions we have and then post a multichoice poll with all candidates on one list? Each citizen may then vote on x candidates.

	18-11-2002 03:56									#14
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that sounds fine, but it would mean we need to elect the DIA a few days beforehand, so as not to delay the game i think

	18-11-2002 03:59									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac I would suggest every governor candidate gives a list of his three preferred regions to govern. If two governors have the same preference, the one with the most votes gets what he wants. How will we elect governors anyway? I believe making a poll for every region apart isn't worth it. What about we first determine how many regions we have and then post a multichoice poll with all candidates on one list? Each citizen may then vote on x candidates.

Seems sensible suggestions, I can't think of a better or fairer way.

I don't think we should rush it through though. The thread has already started for nominations, and so it seems a little late to change it all. Listen to the Grolsch man, you can't rush these things

I would say do Midterms for the Governors, because I think people will get tired of so many elections at once, and it means there's already a DIA to designate the regions.

	18-11-2002 04:08									#16
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so you mean the DIA gets elected at the same time as everyone else, but governors elected in the middle of the term? that way, governors' terms start and end a half-month before everyone? that's a much better idea than mine

if we do that then, i guess we'd elect the cabinet like normal now, plus the DIA, and then the DBP, DIE and DTC can become governors half way through the term, or something

	18-11-2002 14:08									#17
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Or we could stop the nominations for DBP, DIE and DTC and start one for DIA. Since were pretty sure (looking at the poll standings) that people want a DIA, can we nominate for one now?

	18-11-2002 14:14									#18
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If we're going to start this anytime in December (provided this passes), then we'd better get moving.

DBTS - you need to draw up some regions. FAST.

Joeno - you'd better kill the nominations for the three merged positions, and add nominations for DIA...

	18-11-2002 14:21									#19
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No, IMHO we need to wait until we have a DIA (if Joeno can switch the nominations) and then get them to draw up regions, as per the amendment. That means either elect directors in Midterms or elect them for term 5.

If not then get the elected Commisioner or Alpha Talent to draw up regions, and elect the Governors in Midterms under under the AT, awaiting DIA elections for term 5. That means we don't have a DIA with no Governors (so a hell of a lot of work) and it gives the AT something to do.

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	18-11-2002 22:47									#20
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we can decide right now how many regions we want not how they look like but if we know how much regions will be made we know how much governers we need!

	18-11-2002 22:57									#21
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ok i am starting the real amendment question thingy right now!