19-11-2002 19:04									#1
	Amendment proposal for the NewCon: NewZupdate Enter the AD-FREE zone

First: Allow me to apologize to the ConCon, especially, and indeed to all citizens. I shoulld have sniffed this out a hell of a long time ago. In fact, I should have amended to old CoL ages ago.

Second: Why does it need to be an amendment? As proposed, the president would be in charge of it. (not neccessarily writting it, just making sure it is done) That requires more than a Senate bill/law, I think? If not this can be my first bill.

This is a specific request from the gOdZ that has not been done for some time. This will ensure it is completed as requested, to ensure we do not anger the gOdZ again.

Amendment proposal:

This amendment is intended to add the following to the duties of the President:

(l) The President is required to ensure that the newZupdate is written.
(a) The President may appoint someone to write the newZupdate, but will be the one to answer should it not be completed.
(b) newZupdates will be written and PM'd to the gOdZ once per week.

	19-11-2002 19:16									#2
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I like it, you might get the distinctive honor of Amendment number 1.

E_T

	19-11-2002 20:03									#3
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The gOdZ have been kind to us so far by forgetting all those times that we've neglected our duties, but we must not fail them again or we shall face their wrath. Binding the status and duty of the newZupdate by law is an important step towards keeping Apolytonia safe from raining boulders and acid tides.

	19-11-2002 23:30									#4
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. IMHO it would only be a law, and i think that the restrictions are too harsh.

	19-11-2002 23:46									#5
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What restrictions, civman? (taking care NOT to capitolize the 'c')

I thought that since it is adding a job to the president, it had to be in the CoL, not a Law/bill. We need SOMEONE responsible for it in the end. I have stated he can appoint someone, but without a person responsible, it will not be done. Our track record shows this. What specifically are you objecting to so we can discuss it?

	20-11-2002 03:17									#6
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THis would be a version of it that I would support:

quote: (l) The President is required to ensure that the newZupdate is written. (a) The President may appoint someone to write the newZupdate. (b) newZupdates will be written and PM'd to the gOdZ at a reasonable rate. At least 2 must be submitted every term. "A reasonable rate" shall mean at least once every 10 days unless the President or the person he/she appoints has a reasonable excuse.

	20-11-2002 05:47									#7
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civman2000;

the gOdZ have stated that they want one every week.

This is good Unortho. We need it.

	20-11-2002 06:14									#8
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Yes, the once per week is not from me, that is from the gOdZ. Sorry, out of my hands.

I can see your point on (a), though I still like having someone be the end-all person in charge. Perhaps it is a bit rednant, but I was trying to avoid simply passing the buck situations.

	20-11-2002 07:32									#9
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UnOrthO,
I'd be fully in support of a proposal like this. I do think some clause allowing for flexability/emergencies should be included -- the times I have done it, I commonly try to delay a day or two for a Gazette to be released or a turnchat to be completed so it is accurate -- and I think the President should be allowed to delegate in some form.

I'm not sure if this would be a law, an amendment, or if it could perhaps be a combination of a law and an Executive Order. The disadvantage of using an executive order is that any future president could overrule it, but that would perhaps be the most appropriate venue. I need to double-check a few things, however, before I can say if I think the new CoL allows a law to assign responsibility to the executive. If nothing else, it's a fuzzy spot.

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	20-11-2002 07:35									#10
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Sorry, not in favour of it if it makes the Pres personally responsible.

What about the Senate? After all, it is a responsibility we all share as devotees of the g0dz.

	20-11-2002 14:22									#11
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I think NYE is right. THe senate should take care of this, or the VP. The prez has already much to do as it is, and we don't want to discourage every candidate in the future

	20-11-2002 17:43									#12
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Giving it to the VP leaves the final responsibility on the Prez.
As it is not an executive duty (the game can be played without that), it makes sense to assign it to the Senate where the Secretary would do it.

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	20-11-2002 18:39									#13
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Essentially it HAS been in the hands of the Senate and NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE. We need one person in charge. Whenever I say President, I figure the VP is also included as they should be sharing the job.

If we remove the one part would you guys accept it?

As I always do, changes in bold:


(l) The President is required to ensure that the newZupdate is written.
(a) The President may appoint someone to write the newZupdate.Removed this section
(b) newZupdates SHOULD be written and PM'd to the gOdZ once per week.

Last edited by UnOrthOdOx on 20-11-2002 at 18:47

	20-11-2002 18:47									#14
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UnO,

The Senate you are referring to was an abstraction, he could not do anything. If it gets organized, it can do things like that, which have nothing to do with playing the game and therefore should not disturb the Prez.

But, if the Senate does not build an organization, there will be no alternative to your proposal.

	20-11-2002 18:54									#15
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UnOrthOdOx this is a good idea and if the President wasn't responisble in any way for the newZupdate I would certainly support it. What does, "The President is required to ensure that the newZupdate is written." mean? If he appoints someone to do it would that be enough? Or does the President have to make sure the person he appointed to write the update wrote it and then if they didn't write it does he have to write it himself? The way it is worded now I would guess you mean the latter and I am not sure if I support that. Also can the President fire the person he appointed or does this new official have to be impeached like all others? I would like it if the President could just fire the current one and then appoint a new one.

	20-11-2002 18:57									#16
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Basically, I don't care who ends up doing it. Right now, the only position that makes sense is the President. The Senate has no leader currently, I don't know that they ever will, and none of the Ministers really make sense.

We have been over a month without an update. I originally volunteered to do these, the gOdZ look to me. I have not been around the last month to do it, and now it is making ME PERSONALLY look bad. I do not appreciate that, and want to get this somewhere where it can rotate people, be it Senate leader, President, or some official update writer position to be appointed, I don't care. I am tired of looking bad for not doing this, and we as a nation are not gaining any favor from the gOdZ by delaying it. I think it speaks of allot of the problems around this demo game, just like how few people run for office, no one is willing to write this.

	20-11-2002 19:00									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Sheik UnOrthOdOx this is a good idea and if the President wasn't responisble in any way for the newZupdate I would certainly support it. What does, "The President is required to ensure that the newZupdate is written." mean? If he appoints someone to do it would that be enough? Or does the President have to make sure the person he appointed to write the update wrote it and then if they didn't write it does he have to write it himself? The way it is worded now I would guess you mean the latter and I am not sure if I support that. Also can the President fire the person he appointed or does this new official have to be impeached like all others? I would like it if the President could just fire the current one and then appoint a new one.

It doesn't say how the Pres needs to go about it. He could appoint someone every week if he feels the need. Or post the threads like I used to do each week...

	21-11-2002 18:41									#18
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You think just because I wrote one yesterday, I am letting this die off? Hm.

People must have forgotten how I am....

Come on, I only have one comment on the revised portion, and some private comments from some officials (why they are keeping it private, I do not know). I know you are all hating this, so let me hear of it!

	21-11-2002 21:00									#19
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When does the news have to be in to the Godz. Would once a week, starting after next weeks Friday/Saturday chat be good enough. I am planning on doing but I could also issue an executive order establishing an"official media liason with the Godz", ie the person who gets the news to them. We could also have a toped thread with each weeks story in it so we ALL can see it hasn't been done.
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	21-11-2002 21:29									#20
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The only problem with an executive order is that it does not bind the next president.

Once a week is all they ask, not a specific day.

	21-11-2002 23:10									#21
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Ok, just wondering. I was thinking of a specific time(or after specific event) so it is locked in everybodies mind that "we must do it soon since the chat is over". My experience tells me that when something is on a regular schedule it gets done more often.
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	21-11-2002 23:40									#22
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We could most certainly assign a day, no problem. Weekends seem to be the best in terms of people having time and such.

	22-11-2002 00:55									#23
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I agree.
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