19-11-2002 23:34									#1
	Does North Korea have the right to nuclear weapons? Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

I say yes.

News on the radio said N. Korea does have nuclear weapons and they claim they have the right to keep them despite what the U.S. says.

This does not bother me much. Despite the fact that N. Korea has medium range missles that can reach the west coast of the U.S. and the Hoover dam (where I live essentually).

Sure this changes the balance of power. And we might actually have to listen to what they have to say. But it will just created a neutral stand off like the cold war. We can survive that

	19-11-2002 23:41									#2
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The argument that NK has the right to have nuke weapons is debatable, and I'm not getting into that. However, I will say that NK did signed an agreement with the US and neighboring Pacific Rim countries stating that they will not build or research these weapons in return for cheap oil. You can not debait the fact that they violated this agreement.

	19-11-2002 23:49									#3
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NK has chosen a perfect time to confront the US with this news. With the US concentrating on Iraq they can now broker another deal to prop up their disaster of a regime.

	19-11-2002 23:51									#4
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quote: Originally posted by BlackStone With the US concentrating on Iraq they can now broker another deal to prop up their disaster of a regime.

The US has cut off NK from oil shipments.

	19-11-2002 23:57									#5
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc The US has cut off NK from oil shipments.

Thats good. Lets see what the final outcome is.

	19-11-2002 23:58									#6
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Sure.

	19-11-2002 23:58									#7
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc The US has cut off NK from oil shipments.

From I hear, the US is the only one that is doing anyway. I could be wrong.

	20-11-2002 00:43									#8
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Every country has a right to have certain kind of weapons. The issue here though, is that whether other countries want it to have the weapon or not.

	20-11-2002 00:45									#9
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A more pressing question is, does anyone have the 'right' to own nuclear weapons?

	20-11-2002 00:46									#10
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sure, as long as no one gets hurt

	20-11-2002 00:51									#11
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The US actually doesn't want anyone to have the Nukes, including UK. The US government was quite pissed when UK detonated their first one.

USSR was very scared when China detonated their first one and thought about an invasion of China. Chairman Mao simply kissed up to the Americans who then threatened to nuke USSR should China be invaded.

	20-11-2002 01:11									#12
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As far as I'm concerned, soveriegn nations can develop whichever weapons they want.

HOWEVER, North Korea signed an agreement with SK, Japan and the US which stipulated that they stop trying to develop nukes in exchange for aid: food, fuel oil and assistance on the nuclear power plants, IIRC. They broke that agreement.

-Arrian

	20-11-2002 01:14									#13
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Damn, I agree with Arrian and Tharwn05.
Please shoot me>

RAH

	20-11-2002 01:35									#14
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quote: Damn, I agree with Arrian and Tharwn05. Please shoot me>

Can't - I don't own a gun. Was it something I said? (seriously, I wasn't aware that I was on your shitlist)

-Arrian

	20-11-2002 01:38									#15
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Any country has right to have nuclear weapons. But any country that is a potential victim of those weapons also has the right to do anything it wants to stop the first country from getting them.

	20-11-2002 01:45									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Any country has right to have nuclear weapons. But any country that is a potential victim of those weapons also has the right to do anything it wants to stop the first country from getting them.

[Devil's Advocate]Would you accept it if before Israel got it's nukes from France, the US placed sanctions on her and the Arab countries invaded in an attempt to stop Israel from joining the nuclear club?[/Devil's Advocate]

	20-11-2002 01:49									#17
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quote: Would you accept it if before Israel got it's nukes from France, the US placed sanctions on her

If the US had a reason to believe these weapons might be used against her...

quote: and the Arab countries invaded in an attempt to stop Israel from joining the nuclear club?

Well, not an invasion. But an air strike a-la operation Opera, or any other form of sabotage.
Basically they, and the US in the case of Iran and NK should('ve) try to use minimum force to achieve success.

	20-11-2002 01:50									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Can't - I don't own a gun. Was it something I said? (seriously, I wasn't aware that I was on your shitlist) -Arrian

Naw, it's just that the three of us rarely share the same point of view.

	20-11-2002 01:56									#19
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Let them have them. Let the North Korean people "eat cake".
Way to have the old priorities right.
North Korea.

	20-11-2002 02:37									#20
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Every nation has a right to nuclear weapons. Attacking Korea or Iraq because they hold or own a particular weapon is unjustifiable. The notion that someone may attack us in the future, therfore we can attack them now is detestable.

As long as the US and Israel have nukes and continue to threaten to use them (as the US and Israel have against Iraq) nuclear proliferation will continue, and will be the rational choice for these countries.

	20-11-2002 02:42									#21
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NK has the right to nukes...if they can defend it.

	20-11-2002 03:19									#22
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk NK has the right to nukes...if they can defend it.

Is that a challenge?

	20-11-2002 03:49									#23
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NK obviously has no rights to nukes, if they sign a treaty saying they won't develop/build them....

	20-11-2002 04:05									#24
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Amazing revelation: Communists lie.

Whether they have the "right" doesn't mean a whole lot. They have them, and there isn't anything anyone can do about it.

You can not trade with them, but another amazing revelation: Dictators let their people starve, in order to maintain their military power.

	20-11-2002 04:16									#25
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We aren't the only people who lie, you know.

Actually, we don't know whether the DPRK has nukes. They only say they have them. Where were the test detonations? So much can go wrong with a bomb that until you blow one up, you don't know if it will work.

	20-11-2002 04:21									#26
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara We aren't the only people who lie, you know. Actually, we don't know whether the DPRK has nukes. They only say they have them. Where were the test detonations? So much can go wrong with a bomb that until you blow one up, you don't know if it will work.

Where would they test? They don't exactly have a whole lot of room.

	20-11-2002 04:23									#27
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The ocean? The border? Use slave labor and dig a big tunnel somewhere? Israel's even smaller, and they detonated tests.

	20-11-2002 04:26									#28
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No, no one has the right to have nukes

	20-11-2002 04:27									#29
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First of all, the NK has already clarriefied said statement:

NK radio said that North Korea had the Right to Nuclear weapons, not that it had nuclear weapons. IN korean these two things sound evry similar and the fact is what while most western news outlest that traslated the statement did so as the NK now says it was meant, the notion that they had them was spread by a conservative minded SK radio station.

NK signed an agreement in 1992 with South Korea, saying that it would not develop nukes (the 1994 agreement with the US was over plutionium. If NK is in violation of the 1994 agreemnt it is because the '94 agreement makes mention of the '92, and since NK is in violation of the '92 agreement, then it would also be violating the '94. BUt it ahs not borkane any of the pledges dealing with plutionum, yet) and NK is also a signatory of the NPT. So legally, NK does not have a right to have nuclear weapons, only the firt 5 state to get them (surpise, also the 5 permanent veto powers in the UN) do, as long as they make available to other state the peaceful use of nuclear power and move towards eventual disarmament by themselves.

	20-11-2002 04:28									#30
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The ocean? The border? Use slave labor and dig a big tunnel somewhere? Israel's even smaller, and they detonated tests.

Where did they test theirs?